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Murli points on Pandav, Kourav and Yadav


Post Wed Dec 05, 2012 6:39 am

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PKY- Pandav, Kourav, Yaadav

1)SM 11-08-72(2&3):- Maataavon ko aage badhaayaa jaataa hai. Vah log bhee maataavon ko uthaa rahe hain. Age thode hee President aadi female bantee thee. Aage to raajaavon kaa raajy thaa. ABHEE YAH KOURAV RAAJY HUVAA HAI JISKO PANCHAAYATI RAAJY KAHAA JAATAA HAI. Aage koyi nayi invention nikaalte to Raja ko jaakar bolte thay. Vah phir unko badhaane ke liye direction dete thay. Yahaan to hai hee prajaa kaa raajy. Koyi maanenge koyi naheen maanenge. Govt paas jaanaa badaa mushkil hotaa hai. Badee mehnat karnee padtee hai.

= …Previously, it was rule of Kings. Now, it is Kourva raajy which is called as Panchayat Raaj.……..

2)SM 17-12-72(3):- Vaise yah bhi Paramatma ko na jaan_ne kaaran apne ko bhagavan kah dete hain. Tum kahenge na yah moorkh hai. Nasha chadna chaahiye na. Ek din unhon ko bhi samjhaanaa padegaa. AUR DOOSRI BAAT KASAM JO JHOOTAA UTHATE HAIN VAH HAI KOURAV GOVT. TUM HO PANDAV GOVT. Unkaa jo Coat of arms hain teen sher (three lions) banaaye hain. Neeche chakr hai. Aajkal naam dete hain veer chakr. Jaante kuch bhi nahin hain. Tum to is srushtichakr ke raaz ko jaan_ne se chakravarti raja bante ho. Mahavir bante ho.

= …..The Kourav Govt has coat of arms where three lions are shown. Below disc is shown…..


According to murli points 1) and 2), the lowkik Indian Govt is kouravas and BKs are pandavas.


3)SM 14-10-71(1):-. To yah bhi manushy jab bahut dukhi ho jaate hain tab chillaate hain, DUKH_HARTHA,…. Hey Andhon ki laathi. Is samay hi pukarte hain. Dhrutarashtr aur Yudhishthir dikhate hain na. Vah andhe, vah saje. Isliye gaayaa jaataa hai ek taraf andhe ke aulaad andhe. Laathi ke liye chillaate hain. Doosray taraf hai panadav jo chillaate nahin hain. Unhon ke taraf saakshaat Parampita paramatma hai jo rasta batlaate hain.

=….Dhrutharashtr and Yudhishtir are shown, is it not. One are blind, and other have eyes. ….They (Kouravas) cry. Pandavas do not cry. Pandavas have God with them who shows them path.


4)SM 14-10-71(1):-. TUM HO SANGAMYUG PAR. EK TARAF HAI PANDAV, DOOSRE TARAF HAI KOURAV. Andhe unko kaha jaataa hai jo rachaita aur rachnaa ke aadi madhy ant ko nahin jaante. Saje unko kaha jaataa hai jo Baap dwaaraa rachta aur rachna ko jaan gaye hain. Tum samajhte ho humko raajybhaagy mila hai tab to chitr dikhaayaa hai.


5)SM 9-7-70(2):- YAH TO BAHUT BADI GOVERNMENT HAI. BADE TE BADI PANDAV GOVT HAI. Apna raajy sthaapan ho raha hai. Baap kahte hain main to raajy nahin karta. TUM PANDAV HI RAAJY KARTE HO. Unhon_ne pandav pati Krishn ko kah diya hai. Pandav pati va pita koun hai? Tum jaante ho saamne baithe hain.

=This is great pandav government. Great pandav govt. Your Kingodm is getting established. Father says, I do not rule. You pandavas will rule. …


Murli Points 3), 4) and 5) say agyaanis are kouravas and Bks as pandavas.
Murli Pt:- Gambheerataa se full marks jamaa hota hai. Mamma toh gambheerataa kee devi thi. = The virtue seriousness gives full marks. Mamma was a deity of seriousness.


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6)SM 30-3-78(2):- Yah bhi drama bana huva hai. Jo kuch ho raha hai, drama anusaar phir vahi hoga. Bharat may phir vahi muslamaan aavenge. Phir Christian aavenge. PHIR PICHADI MAY YOUVANON KI LADAAYI LAGTI HAI. Circumstance aise hi dekhne may aate hain. Barobar likha huva hai gyan yagy se vinash jwala prajwalit huyi thi. So barobar dekhne may aati hai. Barobar likha huva hai gyaan yagy sthaapan kiya hai. YOUVANON SE LADAAYI LAGEGI. Kuch na kuch sach bhi likha huva hai. Bachche jaante hain barobar gyan yagy racha huva hai. Ismey jo bhi purani saamagri hai vah sab swaha ho jaavegi.-74 [Prediction, yagy]

= This is drama. What had happened will again happen. In Bharat, the same muslims will come again (in next kalpa), then Christians will come. Then in the end, war of youvan (yadavas) will take place……War will happen by youvans(yadavas).

Murli Point 6) says Christians are yaadavas.


7)SM 17-11-77(2):- Yah chitr hai hee andhon ke aage aarsi. Jasti too much may na jaanaa hai. Pahley kadi bhool hee yah hai. Parampita paramatma ki mahima hee alag hai. Uskey badley Krishn ko mahimaa de dee hai. LN KE CHITR MAY NEECHE RK HAIN. YAHI PHIR LN BANTE HAIN. RK HEE LN, LN SO RK SIDDH KAR DIKHAANAA HAI. Nahin to LN ko Satyug may, RamSita ko Treta may le jate aur pahlaa number bachchoo unko Dwapar may thok diya hai. Bheel bana diya hai. Naachoo bana diyaa hai. Is naachoo kaaran hee dance seeekhey hain. Krishn leelaa may dance dikhate hain. Vilayatvaale in baathon se kyaa jaaney. Yah sab hai bhaktimarg. DRAMA ANUSAAR IN KOURAVAN KO KUCH BHI PATA NAHIN HAI. Ved shaastr padhte rahte hain, samajhte kuch bhi nahin. -116- [RK, PKY, sp]

= ………..The first number (pure child) is thrown into Copper Age. They(scriptures) have made him bheel (like slum boy). They have made him dancer. Due to this dance shown in scriptures, people have learnt dance. What foreigners know about these. These all are bhaktimarg. AS PER DRAMA, THESE KOURVAS DO NOT KNOW ANYTHING. THEY READ VED, SCRIPTURES, DO NOT UNDERSTAND ANYTHING.

Murli point 7) says lowkik people who believe scriptures are kouravas.


8)SM 17-3-77(2):- Tum jaante ho Satyug treta may Bharat may devtaavon ka raajy thaa. Aur koyi khand thaa nahin. Baad may phir Islaami khand shuru hota hai. Vah hai Ibraahim ke. YAHAAN JO MUSALMAAN HAIN UNKAA DHARMAPITAA MUHAMMAD HAI. INKO YAVAN KAHA JATA HAI. Ladaayi hinduvon musalmaanon ki hoti hai na ki kouravon paandavon ki. -5- [PKY]


= During Golden and Silver ages, deities existed in Bharat. There had been no other continent. Later/next Islam continent comes. That is of Ibrahim. THE religious HEAD of MUSLIMS IS MUHAMMAD. THEY ARE CALLED AS YOUVAN. Fight is not between pandav and kourav, but between Hindus and Muslims.

[Here baba calls Islamis as youvan.]


9)SM 12-11-82(3):- Srimath par tum apni rajaayi sthaapan kar rahe ho. YAADAVON KI RAAJAAYI KHATM HUYI HAI. PANDAV RAAJAAYI STHAAPAN KAR RAHE HAIN NAYI DUNIYAA KE LIYE. Puraaney bhambhor ko aaga lagni hai. -54 [PKY]


= You are establishing your Kingdom as per srimath. The Kingdom of Yaadavas has ended. Pandavas are establishing Kingdom for new world.
Murli Pt:- Gambheerataa se full marks jamaa hota hai. Mamma toh gambheerataa kee devi thi. = The virtue seriousness gives full marks. Mamma was a deity of seriousness.


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10)SM 1-10-82(3):- Marnaa toh sabko zaroor hee hai is ladaayi may. IS RUDR GYAAN YAGY SE VINAASH JWAALAA PRAJVALITH HOTI JAATI HAI. LIKHTEY BHI RAHTE HAIN KI HUMNEY ITNEY2 BADE2 BOMBS BANAAYE HAIN. TO KYAA KALP PAHLEY IN_HON_NEY SABHI BOMBS SAMUDR MAY THODE HEE DAALEY THAY. NAHIN. VINAASH HUAA. TAB TO KAHTE HAIN VINAASH KAALEY VIPREET BUDDHI…. KOUN? KOURAV AUR YAADAV. Abhi to prajaa par prajaa kaa raajy hai. -38 [destruction, PKY, yagy]

This point says as if- Those who do bombs are kourav and yaadavas.


11)SM 30-10-72(1, 2):- Pahley devi devtaayein hee thay. Abhi aur dharmon may convert ho gaye hain. Kitni bhinn2 bhaashaayen hain. Jaise Europeans hain. America ki bhaashaa alag, France ki alag. Hain toh sab Christian log. Jaise Cheen(=China) ke dekho ek hee boudh dharm ke hain. Parantu Cheen ki bhaashaa Japan ki bhaashaa alag2 hai. Hain toh sab bouddhi. PARANTU VRUDDHI HO JAANEY SE ALAG2 HO JAATE HAIN. AAPAS MAY DUSHMAN BHI BAN JAATE HAIN. Bharat ka dushman koyi nahin hai. Yah toh doosrey dharmvaaley aakar ladtey (seems that actually should be LADAATEY) hain. NAHIN TOH BHAARATVAAASIYON KI AAPAS MAY LADAAYI AISEY KAB HUYI NAHIN HAI. DOOSRON NE LADAAYAA LOBH KE VASH. Yah bhi khel hai. Bharatvaasi bhool gaye hain ki hum hi Vishw ke maalik thay. -67-, 68 [Bharat, PKY]


= Initially only deities existed. Now, they have got converted into other religions. Many languages are present. For example Europeans. Language of America, France are different. Actually they all are Christians. Like China and Japan, both are Buddhists, but their languages are different. But when their numbers increase, they become enemies. No one is enemy of India/Bharat (mostly Baba may be saying that - even if there are so many languages, culture, etc in India, they do not have become enemies of each other). Else, there had not been such a great wars in Bharat. Others have made Indians fight among themselves due to greed. This is also a game. Indians have forgotten that they had been World Emperors.


12)SM 2-10-89(1, 2):- Aashcharyat sunanti, kathanti, bhaaganti,….aaho mam Maya….. faarkati devanti ho jaate hain. MARJEEVA BANTE HAIN, BAAP KA BANTE HAIN. PHIR RAM RAAJY SE RAAVAN RAAJY MAY CHALE JAATE HAIN. IS PAR HEE PHIR YUDDH DIKHLAAYI HAI KOURAV AUR PAANDAVAON KI. PHIR ASURON AUR DEVTAAVON KI BHI YUDDH DIKHAAYAA HAI. Ek yuddh dikhaavo na. Do kyon? ………..Hathiyaaron aadi se tum koyi ko kuch karte nahin. Vah taakath toh Christian may hee bahut hai. RUSSIA AUR AMERICA DO BHAAYI HAIN. IN DONON KI HAI COMPETITION BOMBS AADI BANAANE KI. DONON EK DO SE TAAKATVAALE HAIN. ITNI TAAKATH HAI, AGAR DONON AAPAS MAY MIL JAAYE TOH SAARE WORLD PAR RAJY KAR SAKTE HAIN. PARANTU LAW NAHIN HAI JO BAAHUBAL SE KOYI VISHW PAR RAAJY PAA SAKE. Kahaani bhi dikhaate hain- do billi aapas may ladey makkhan beech may teesraa khaa gayaa. Yah sab baatein ab Baap samjhaate hain. Yah thode hee kuch jaantaa thaa. Yah chitr aadi bhi Baap ne hee divvy drushti se banvaye hain. Aur samjhaa rahe hain, vah aapas may ladte hain. Sare vishw ki baadshahi tum lete ho. Vah donon hain bahut powerful. Jahaan tahaan aapas may ladaa dete hain. Phir madad dete rahte hain kyonki unhon kaa bhi vyaapaar hai jabardasth. …. Yah Hindustan Pakistan pahley alag thaa kyaa. Donon ikatte thay. Yah sab drama may noondh hai. -1,1- vimp [PKY]


= ……Russia and America are two brothers, both are powerful as if one is ahead of the other. ….They make other nations to fight with each other and sell weapons to them. They do this business. Was India and Pakistan different before?
Murli Pt:- Gambheerataa se full marks jamaa hota hai. Mamma toh gambheerataa kee devi thi. = The virtue seriousness gives full marks. Mamma was a deity of seriousness.


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13) SM 14-4-85(1):- Vah hai hee Ravan sampradaay. Tum abhi Ram sampradaay baney ho. PANDAV AUR KOURAV EK HEE SAMPRADAAY KE THAY. … Gita se koyi bhi nahin samajhte ki yaadav Europe_vaasi hain. Vah toh yaadav sampradaay bhi yahaan kah dete hain. -17 [PKY]

= They are ravan sampradaay(tradition or followers). You have now become ram sampradaay. Pandav and kourav had been of same tradition. … By lowkik Gita, no one can understand (or believes) that Europeans are yaadavas. They(lowkik scripture Gita or Mahabharat) say even yaadavas belong to India.

[If we see points No. 12) and 13), it seems that Baba here calls Pandav for Hindus and Kourav means Hindus who got converted into Muslims- means Indian Hindus and Indian muslims, or pandavas as India and Kouravas as Pakistan. – may be- not sure]


14)SM 4-2-89(1):- Dikhaate hain yuddh ke maidaan may teen(3) senaayein thee. Yaadav kourav aur paandav dikhaate hain. Yaadav mossal nikaalte hain. Vahaan sharaab piyaa aur moosal nikaaley. Tum jaante ho barobar moosal bhee nikal rahe hain. Vah abhee apney kul kaa vinaash karne ek do ko dhamkee de rahe hain. SAB CHRISTIAN LOG HAIN. VAHEE EUROPEVAASI YAADAV THAH_REY. TOH EK HAI UNHON KEE SABHAA. TOH UNHON KAA BHEE VINAASH HUVAA. AAPAS MAY LAD MAREY. USMEY SAARAA EUROPE AA GAYAA. USMEY ISLAAMI, BOUDDHI, CHRISTIAN, SAB AA JAATE HAIN. Yahaan phir hai kourav aur paandav. Kourav bhee vinaash ko praapt huye. Aur vijay paandavon kee huyi. Ab prash uth_taa hai Gita ka bhagavaan koun? -46- [PKY, LM, WOT] –vvimp

= It is shown (in Gita or Mahabharat) that there had been three armies, pandav, kourav and yadav. Yadavas are shown with drinking liquor and invented/produced weapons/missiles. …. All the Christians are yaadavas. So- it is a sabhaa (group). The whole Europe is in it. In it, the Islam, Buddhists all are included. And- here(in India), it is pandav and kourav. ….
Here Baba combines all the rest of the countries as yaadavas. Pandavas and kouravas are said to be Indians.


15) SM 23-11-87(3):- Devtaavon aur asuron ki ladaayi nahin lagee hai. YAH TOH YOUVANON AUR KOURAVAON KI HAI. UNKAA BOMB PHOOTEGAA, AUR INKI LADAAYI SHURU HOGI. Vinaash ke baad swarg ki sthaapnaa. -125- [PKY]

= War is not between deities and demons. The war is between youvans and kouravas. Their bombs will explode and fight between these will begin. … [Did not understand fully. But, seems that when atomic war begins there, civil war will begin here in India].


16)SM 19-3-87(2, 3):- Yaadavon ke liye theek likhaa hai ki apney kul kaa vinaash swyam hee kiyaa. BAAKI PAANDAVON KOURAVON KI HINSAK YUDDH DIKHAAYI HAI, YAH TOH HUYI NAHEEN HAI. –22, 22- [PKY]

= It is written correctly (in scripture) that yaadavas destroyed themselves. But, there had not been physical war between pandavas and kouravas. [here, pandavas is for BKs].
Murli Pt:- Gambheerataa se full marks jamaa hota hai. Mamma toh gambheerataa kee devi thi. = The virtue seriousness gives full marks. Mamma was a deity of seriousness.


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17)SM 23-10-83(1):- Yadav hai moosal invent karnevaaley. Kourav, pandav hain bhaayi2. VAH ASURI BHAAYI, VAH DAIVEE BHAAYI. YAH BHI ASURI THAY. UNHON KO BAAP NE OONCH BANAAKAR DAIVEE BHAAYI BANAAYAA HAI. Donon bhaayiyon kaa kyaa huva? Barobar paandavon ki jeeth huyi, kouravon kaa vinaash huvaa. -24- [PKY]

= Yaadavas are those who invent weapons. Pandav and kouravas are brothers. One/Kourav is asur(vicious) brother and the other/pandav is deity brother. Even this one (pandavas) had been asur/vicious. Father transformed them by making them deities.


18)SM 13-12-78(2):- Bombs ki trial bhi le rahe hain. Gussey may aakar phir thok denge. Yah powerful bombs hain. GAAYAN BHI HAI EUROPE_VAASI YADAV. BHAL HUM SAB DHARMVAALON KO EUROPEVAASI HI KAHENGE. BHARAT HAI EK TARAF. BAAKI UN SABKO MILAA DIYAA HAI. Apney khand liye unhon ko pyaar toh bahut hai. Parantu bhaavi aisee hai toh kyaa karenge. Taakath saari tumko Baba de rahe hain. Yogbal se tum raajy le lete ho. -91 [PKY, gaayan]


= Bombs are being trialed. Then they will become angry and put it. These are powerful bombs, is it not. There is saying Europvaasi yaadav. OF COURSE, YOU WILL SAY ALL THE RELIGIONS AS EUROPEANS. INDIA IS ON ONE SIDE. THE REST ARE COMBINED TOGETHER. They have lot of love towards their mother land. But, if the destiny different what can be done? Baba gives you the whole power. You receive Kingdom by power of yoga.

[Here Baba combines all the rest as one and India as the other side.]


19) "कौरव गवर्मेंट और पाण्डव गवर्मेंट दो हैं ना। सतयुग में तो एक ही गवर्मेंट होती है। तो अब यह पांडव गवर्मेंट है नई। वह तो एक ही कांग्रेस गवर्मेंट है। जब कांग्रेस गवर्मेंट शुरू हुई है तो पांडव गवर्मेंट भी शुरू हुई है।" (मु.10.2.75 पृ.1 मध्य) [PKY, predictions]

= "There are two governments - the Kaurava government and the Pandava government, aren't they? There is only one government in the Golden Age. Now this Pandav government is new. That is only one Congress government. Ever since the Congress government began the Pandava government also started." - (Mu.10.2.75, pg.1, middle)


20)SM 19-7-76(2):- British govt ke samay Pakistan, Hindustan thaa kyaa. Likhaa huvaa hai Hinduvon aur youvanon ki ladaayi. Pandavon aur kouravon ki ladaayi hai naheen. Youvan barobar lad rahe hain. Bombs bhee taiyaar ho gaye hain. Abhee baap humko farmaan karte hain mujhe yaad karo. -68- [PKY]

= During period of British Govt was there Pakistan and Hindustan? It is written war between Hindus and Youvans. There is no war between Pandavas and Kouravas. Youvas are fighting. Bombs are ready.


A note:- [Sometimes Baba speaks in different ways. For example- regarding the word/personality Bhishm of Mahabharat, sometimes Baba relates it to BKs who follow purity/celibacy perfectly, sometimes also for lowkik Gurus who had been conquered in Mahabharat war by kanyas/Kumaris.] So, even the terms pandav, kouravas , and yaadavas are spoken in different ways.

And- for us, all are brothers/souls, so no question of pandavas, kouravas or yaadavas internally. It is all role of each and every soul that plays in drama. So- these points of knowledge are necessary only to understand the points mentioned in scriptures and has nothing to do in spiritual effort. So- finally sakshi stage is the only real goal.
Murli Pt:- Gambheerataa se full marks jamaa hota hai. Mamma toh gambheerataa kee devi thi. = The virtue seriousness gives full marks. Mamma was a deity of seriousness.


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