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Post Sat Feb 01, 2014 9:12 am

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# Post No. 09) Apkaari par upkaar karo= Do good to those who do bad:-

Mu. Point:- Apkaari par upkaar karenge, toh chakravarti maharaja banenge = If you do good to those do bad, you will become chakravarti Maharaj.

Now- why should we do good to those do bad? Seems illogical, is it not. But- actually, such people are the real leaders. Doing good to good people is not a great thing. But- those who are able to do good to the bad people only have power to transform.

If we do good to those who do bad, then we are like closer to God, because God is the only one who does good to all (capable of guiding to become pure).

If we do good only to those who do good, then it is like 1:1, that is getting fruit of 1 unit for the work done of one unit. No great benefit. Because it is human level of earning. But- if we do good to even the bad, then it is like Godly level, and God is bound to pay such souls, and when God gives, it would multi million times.

That is the reason why Bharat alone becomes heaven. Because it gave shelter to all the religions, and respected all the religions many times more than its own. This may be a deep secret in karma philosophy.

Another point is:- Even in this world, those who become King (ruling party) has to serve all the citizens of the country even if all of them have not voted them. That is- to become King means consider all as equal.
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Murli Pt:- Gambheerataa se full marks jamaa hota hai. Mamma toh gambheerataa kee devi thi. = The virtue seriousness gives full marks. Mamma was a deity of seriousness.

Post Sat Feb 08, 2014 3:07 am

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# Post No. 10) Murli Point:- Jinko gyaan kee dhaaranaa naheen hai, unko hai sthool service = The physical/corporeal service is for those who have not or cannot imbibe knowledge (practically):-

In lowkik also, those who are well educated, do white collar(intellectual) jobs. Less qualified people do jobs related to physical work. Similarly, Baba may be saying here that if you have capacity to link your mind to baba well, then you are free from doing physical service. You try to be in remembrance and motivate others. That is the best job/work/service for your level.

But, baba also says- do not take service from others personally. Do your work yourself. Even in official work, a peon or group 4 level employee does work of his Boss only related to official service, not at his home. So- even a Boss cannot take service from his low level employees for his person works. Similarly, we should do our personal work, like washing clothes, etc ourselves.

But- in rare cases, where some officials are at high level (eg- President), they get servants officially to work even at their home, because their service is highly important. Similarly, if we are in such a busy schedule of Baba's service, then taking personal services from others would not be wrong.

Now- suppose a Bk at high level (one who has good dharna) is free from all the external service. Then should not he do physical service? Yes, he/she can do. But- he should do it differently. He should do it in the karmayogi stage. That is he should give more importance to gyaan(=yoga) than the physical work. He should be detached from the karma even while doing that. Else, his work becomes like ordinary group 4 level employee.

The only thing here to be considered/checked is- Both myself and he other person from whom I am taking service should feel liberation/light. A low level Bk will be happy to do physical services. as he has no capacity to feel happiness internally by switching his mind to Baba. So- he gets/feels liberation/happiness by doing physical services. But, as we practice bodiless stage, we like to ignore silly things.

And- if we make others to do our personal works, then the other person will get surprised- arey- why this person makes other BKs work for him (who are capable and meant for Godly service), and karmic account/bondage is going to get created. But- if I am fully busy in Baba's service, the other person even while doing my personal work will be able to feel Baba.

So- if our dharna level is low, then get personal work done by non Bks and pay them as per the society norms or a little better, so that the other person feels liberation/happiness. Else, without having high level of dharna and busy in Godly service, if we make any Bk work for us, it is going to create karmic account.

It does not mean that- if we have money, it is OK to pay others and take work from them. As a spiritual person, we should not become lazy. But, that is better than forcing other Bks to work for us personally. Because in the former, we satisfy the other(lowkik) person by paying him, but in the later, we are not satisfying the BK.

That is why Baba says- if a BK does mistake it is 100 times than a lowkik person's. And- until we become bodiless stage, we will be having and creating some karmic account.

Mu. Point:- Jab tak ashreeri naheen bante ho, tab tak Maya kee chot lagti rahegee = Till you become bodiless, you will get hurt from Maya.

Now- those who cannot imbibe knowledge practically, should do at least sthool (physical or corporeal, say by giving load to body or by money) service, else they are worth nothing and just burden, is it not.

Mu. Point:- Baap samaan ban_naa hai toh saakshi hokar sakaash do = To become Baap samaan, be in sakshi stage and give sakaash (good wishes) to all. So- those who have ability to imbibe knowledge cannot find faults in others and just see everything in sakshi and give good wishes to all. So- there is more intellectual bondage(responsibility) to them, whereas for the other, physical.

In murli, Baba says a lot of points for service, then Baba also says, "those who do service day and night are baby intellects". - Post No 18 - here- post4069.html?hilit=aksar#p4069

Murli is like super market where Baba has to give directions to varieties of children. So- Baba will give varieties of directions to lift all the children.
Murli Pt:- Gambheerataa se full marks jamaa hota hai. Mamma toh gambheerataa kee devi thi. = The virtue seriousness gives full marks. Mamma was a deity of seriousness.

Post Sun Feb 16, 2014 11:24 am

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# Post No. 11) Doosron kee galtiyon ko apnaa samjhoge toh sampoornataa jaldee aayegee = If you consider mistakes of others as your own, then completeness will come near.

When we assume others' mistakes as our own, then there are both the advantages, 1)there will not be any reaction from our side, hence others also will not respond further, and 2)those mistakes will not affect us, since we have already admitted that they are of/in ours/us. Suppose say- I am already having a type of disease in me, then there is no fear to come near to someone who has the same disease. Because I am not going to get additional problems. But, here, this will act like antibodies. Because internally, we know that I have not done that mistake. I am just simply admitting so to put fullstop (drama).

This closes room to parachintan (conscious of others) and there is natural forget and forgiving action happening. There is no room to sanskaar conflicts.

But, it does not mean that we should declare so on front of law that "yes, it is me who have done that mistake". While being with others, in relations, if we have this feeling/thought, no fear, confusion or ego can enter in us. We will feel others as children and pardon their mistakes. We will not take law into our hands. (We will discuss, explain more only if it is part of duty or the other person has capacity to move towards positive). Even if there is loss, we will be ready to lose, since Baba says, "alp kaal haa haar hee bahut kaal kaa vijay praapt karaayegi = Defeat for small period will give victory for long period". As per karma philosophy, even if they cheat us, they will have to repay later, so no need to bother much. Better try to be in sakshi stage.

This will save all the energies and make our spiritual powers to grow. This gives us freedom not to think about external things and free from all obstacles and just doing "high jump".
Murli Pt:- Gambheerataa se full marks jamaa hota hai. Mamma toh gambheerataa kee devi thi. = The virtue seriousness gives full marks. Mamma was a deity of seriousness.

Post Fri Sep 22, 2017 12:43 am

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# Post No. 12) Contrast between BHAAV and BHAAV_NAA:-

1) BHAAV is more of like the potential energy(PE) and BHAAV_NAAis more of like KE(Kinetic Energy). Many times Baba says about "VYAKT/corporeal Bhaav" and "A_VYAKT/Subtle Bhaav".

Bhaav is like inner nature which then manifests as bhaavnaa. When we think of a person or something, there is come flow- this can be called as bhaavnaa. When a person comes in front of us, the level of bhaavnaa may increase.

For people who are in vyakt bhaav, the bhaavnaas will be more and fluctuating. It will be different for different people/actions. Hence they would not be stable.

But, for people in Avyakt Bhaav, the ripples/emotions would be less, and hence their bhaavnaa would be stable.

Regarding - "Shubh_Bhaavnaa" and "Shubh_Kaamnaa" (refer to Post No. 06 in this same thread) - Bhaavnaa is about the present state, and Kaamnaa is for the next/future one.

# Post No. 13) BHAAN and ABHIMAAN:-

Bhaan = Feelings,

Abhimaan = Ego (Actually = Consciousness).

Baba usually uses the words- Deh_Bhaan, and Deh_Abhimaan.

Abhimaan is sookshm/deeper, since it is the conscious level.

So, Bhaan is of more external, Abhimaan is more of internal related.
There can be some errors here, but hope that this gives some idea about the matter.
Murli Pt:- Gambheerataa se full marks jamaa hota hai. Mamma toh gambheerataa kee devi thi. = The virtue seriousness gives full marks. Mamma was a deity of seriousness.


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