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EGO OF KNOWLEDGE/SPIRITUALITY


Post Sun Aug 04, 2013 7:50 am

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In any company/organization, there would be Group/class A, B, C, and D posts.

Class A - Administrator

Class B - Executives who use intellect a lot.

Class C = White collar job, but use intellect just as machine like following a procedure- example doing accounting , clerical jobs.

Class D - purely mechanical work.

The Class A people are beyond the law. They can frame laws for others. So- they are like truth/law makers. No one control them, they are like in liberation even while having highest responsibilities.

But- if we have ego of knowledge, we will get stuck in Class B and cannot move to Class A.
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Murli Point:- Brahma Baap ko srimath par chlanaa naheen padaa . Jo kadam rakhaa vah srimath huvaa= BBaba did not have to follow srimath. His steps became srimath for others.
Murli Pt:- Gambheerataa se full marks jamaa hota hai. Mamma toh gambheerataa kee devi thi. = The virtue seriousness gives full marks. Mamma was a deity of seriousness.

Post Sun Aug 04, 2013 8:08 am

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Truth is not knowledge. Knowledge leads to truth.

Truth is like magic. It is reached when we utilize ourselves to the maximum extent.

For example- science is not truth. Science reached truth when it utilized the the nature.

When we know this utilization/application, we find truth and then we attain might. That is why perhaps it is said- Might is Right.

Because might comes from practical truth.

We have theoretical and practical knowledge/papers. So- knowledge is the guide to move forward in the path of truth.

Knowledge is like food and truth is like power. Each one has to utiilize/digest the food/knowledge to find truth.
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Swami Vivekananda had said- Education is not giving some input externally to a person. It is manifestation of the potential which is already there inside (not in exact words).

Again he says- every soul is potentially divine.
Murli Pt:- Gambheerataa se full marks jamaa hota hai. Mamma toh gambheerataa kee devi thi. = The virtue seriousness gives full marks. Mamma was a deity of seriousness.

Post Mon Aug 19, 2013 3:32 am

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ShivBaba does not have ego of knowledge. If he had, he would have had incarnated in the Copper Age itself.

He gives vision deities to the devotees and not of himself. If he had ego, then he would have given his vision to any devotee.

And- even in Conf. Age, Shivbaba initially said- I am indivisible light, then I am thumb, ling, etc. He said about himself only later. See- what is the state of God! How egoless he is! We cannot feel it to the full depth.

Also- ShivBaba gets revealed to the whole world only after we children become complete. Till there, he waits and waits.
Murli Pt:- Gambheerataa se full marks jamaa hota hai. Mamma toh gambheerataa kee devi thi. = The virtue seriousness gives full marks. Mamma was a deity of seriousness.

Post Sun Sep 08, 2013 4:26 am

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We create heaven by the power of yog (yogbal) and not gyaan bal. We are also living and facing mainly by the power of yoga and not knowledge.

If Knowledge is similar to size of the boat,
Purity is the strength of the boat, and
yoga/yaad is the driving power of the boat.

Size/information of the boat is not as much important as strength and driving power.
Murli Pt:- Gambheerataa se full marks jamaa hota hai. Mamma toh gambheerataa kee devi thi. = The virtue seriousness gives full marks. Mamma was a deity of seriousness.

Post Tue Nov 12, 2013 11:10 am

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Wonderful Murli Point:- yathaarth knowledge arthaath source of income= Accurate knowledge means source of income.

AM 31-3-90 (Pg 207, 208 of the book):- kayi nimitt teacher bante hain toh samajhte hain choton ke liye hum jimmevaari hain. Inko shikshaa denee hai, sikhaanaa hai. lekin sadaiv yah socho knowledge is source of income hogi. Agar aapney shikshak kee jimmevaaree se shikshaa dee, toh pahley yah dekho ki us shikshaa se doosrey kee kamaayi jamaa huyi? Source of income huvaa yaa source of giraavat huvaa. Isliye Baapdaa sadaa kahte hain ki koyi bhee karm karte ho toh trikaaldarshi sthiti may sthith hokar karo. Sirf vartamaan naheen dekho ki isney kyaa, is liye kahaa. Lekin uskaa bhavishy parinaam kyaa hogaa, vah bhee dekho. Jo past aadi anaadi sthithi braahman aatmaavon kee thi, ab bhee hai, aage bhee rahegi, usee pramaan hai?

= Some teachers when become incharge/nimitt, think we are responsible Hence we should teach this. But, always think- knowledge would/should be source of income. When you teach the other as a responsibility of teacher, then first check whether it created any income of the other. Did it become source of income or source of downfall? Hence Bapdada always say- before doing any work, be in trikaaldarshi stage. Just do not see only the present- this one did so, hence I said so. Think about its effect on future also. The past aadi and anaadi stage of braahmins had been there, ... is the stage according to that?

If we remember this, then there would be no wastage. We will not take law into hands, no parachintan or attachment, and absolutely safe.
Murli Pt:- Gambheerataa se full marks jamaa hota hai. Mamma toh gambheerataa kee devi thi. = The virtue seriousness gives full marks. Mamma was a deity of seriousness.

Post Mon Jan 06, 2014 12:22 pm

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Lowkik, Alowkik and Paaralowkik

1)Whatever great useful data or inputs related to lowkik may be - they all fall in category of just "information". Because attachment to any lowkik things degrade us. Here- thinking of just one birth or hell is present, hence it is half knowledge.

2)Things related to alowkik- here- there is full knowledge- here both hell and heaven- cycle - that is 84 births are churned, which gives soul a lightness and hence uplifts the soul.

So- this category fits into "knowledge". But- again there is chance for different interpretations and also "ego of knowledge" can be developed.

But- it has full knowledge.

3) But the paaralowkik subject is beyond the level of knowledge. Beyond all bodily relations. There is no ambiguity here. It has just "essence"

To use the knowledge rightly, one has to stick into essence. Else- even the full knowledge may be of no use or will not yield full result.
Murli Pt:- Gambheerataa se full marks jamaa hota hai. Mamma toh gambheerataa kee devi thi. = The virtue seriousness gives full marks. Mamma was a deity of seriousness.

Post Fri Apr 04, 2014 12:24 pm

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how we can low down our ego either its of any type but when ego is there then problems are arise..

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Post Fri Apr 04, 2014 1:29 pm

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how we can low down our ego either its of any type but when ego is there then problems are arise..

Just think of driving. A good driver is least affected by the type of vehicle(body or physical personalities) and driving styles(swabhaav and sanskaars, nature) of others drivers/souls. He drives with his self esteem.

But, even the good driver may get affected in busy traffic if he has any goal to reach. So- till we feel my goal(desire or purpose of life) is already finished, we will have ego.

In a factory or company, only good owners who have faith that their business is already set up and there is no fear of competitors are likely to have no ego. Similarly, we should have faith that my source is infinite (God) himself. Then only we will not get affected by fruit of actions and remain carefree. But, in this world of uncertainties and impurities, there will be always attack from external side. During that time, we should absorb only purity. The main fact or the absolute truth is- in the world drama, there is happiness for more than 80% of duration and every soul would be pure for at least 50% of the kalpa (Time cycle). If we are attached to this faith constantly, then we will be able to bypass any negative incidents or swabhaav and sanskaars of people. But, until this faith becomes our sankaar (nature), we would be in conflict numberwise.
Murli Pt:- Gambheerataa se full marks jamaa hota hai. Mamma toh gambheerataa kee devi thi. = The virtue seriousness gives full marks. Mamma was a deity of seriousness.

Post Mon Sep 29, 2014 5:23 am

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When we have ego of knowledge, it will appear as Krishna(children) being/speaking God of Gita(knowledge) and will not have full value in Baba's service.

Murli point - " Aisey math samjho ki BK keep dwaaraa hee Jonas hai. Buddhivaanon kaa Baap kisee ke bhee buddhi kaa taalaa khol apnaa kaary karaa saktey gain. = Do not think that every service should happen only through BKs. The most intelligent father can open lock of intellect of anyone and get the things done".

That is why Baba says- "pahley karnee, peeche kathni = first bring teachings in practical, then teach others" or "pahley apnaa kalyaan karo, peechey doosron kaa kalyaan karo =first bring benefit to yourself, then of others".


But- Baba also says- "agar panaa kalyaan naheen kar saktey ho, toh kam se kam doosron kaa kalyaan toh karo = if you cannot bring benefit to self, at least do service of others".

Like - Something is better than nothing.

So- drama goes like that. Both types of souls/children doing Baba's service.
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It is said- "speech is silver and silence is golden".

That means even best/greatest words are just silver, but best silence only can be golden. Hence knowledge even in best words- will have effect only up to silver.

Baba also says- even if one drinks knowledge, he is eligible to come at least to Silver Age.
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Baba says-you children do not desire even heaven. - Post No. 48- http://www.brahmakumarisforum.net/chat/viewtopic.php?f=25&t=1167&p=4590&hilit=desire#p4590

Also we should know that aim of BK philosophy is to make one soul/spiritual conscious, not BK conscious. - Post No. 215 - viewtopic.php?f=25&t=1167&start=280#p16082
Murli Pt:- Gambheerataa se full marks jamaa hota hai. Mamma toh gambheerataa kee devi thi. = The virtue seriousness gives full marks. Mamma was a deity of seriousness.

Post Thu Nov 02, 2017 3:29 pm

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Murli points÷

Apney ko Brahman samajhnaa bhee de abhimaan hai = to consider self as (just Brahmin) is also body conscious ness.

But Murli points also say -" You should also have intoxication that you belong to highest clan Brahmin. You should also have intoxication that through you children only world will be benefited. " - Murli point no. 2 in post no. 70 - viewtopic.php?f=25&t=1167&start=90#p9526

---Baba also says - tumhen gyaan ka shuddh ghamand thanks chaahiye = you children should have PURE EGO of knowledge".

---Baba also says - main_pan hee neech le jaanevaalaa hai, aur main_pan hee oonch le jaanevaalaa bhee hai = The word ' I ' only uplifts you as well as brings you down.

So, we should have discrimination power to distinguish between right and false ego. In other words, we should know the BALANCE.
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Mu point(in approximate words)÷ Abhee gyaan ke dwaaraa YOG sikhlaate ho. Lekin aage chalkar yaad ke dwaaraa gyaan silkhlaavoge. = Now you teach YOG/ remembrance through Knowledge. But in future, you will teach knowledge through yaad/YOG.
Murli Pt:- Gambheerataa se full marks jamaa hota hai. Mamma toh gambheerataa kee devi thi. = The virtue seriousness gives full marks. Mamma was a deity of seriousness.

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