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EGO OF KNOWLEDGE/SPIRITUALITY


Post Wed Jan 30, 2013 12:15 pm

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Even in lowkik world, the students who are studying will have ego of The Knowledge*. Even those who earn will have ego of their knowledge, status. It is when a person is satisfied with his earnings, his ego dies.

Similarly, ego in spirituality also will die only when a person becomes satisfied with his effort, not what The Knowledge he gained nor the status he got in spiritual service/field- let it be Maharathi, Sister incharge, Dadi, Didi, etc.

* - Very rare will not have ego from student life till the last breadth. So- here, also such souls are highest praise worthy and highest lucky. eg- Mamma and Baba.
Murli Pt:- Gambheerataa se full marks jamaa hota hai. Mamma toh gambheerataa kee devi thi. = The virtue seriousness gives full marks. Mamma was a deity of seriousness.

Post Wed Jan 30, 2013 12:27 pm

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A person if has good health/body does not imply to show him off. It is wise if he does not stretch himself fully = do not put his full energy out (except in emergencies). but, if he keeps on lifting load up to his full capacity, every time, he is going to lose health.

A person who has lot of money- it does not imply that he should take the money now and then and show it to others. It would be foolishness. He will give money only if the other is able to understand value of money and uses for best purpose. Similarly, we should deliver knowledge in the same way. Else, others may make shame of us and we will lose our value.

That is why Baba says- Knowledge is precious, do not waste it. [But, it is our duty to give message to all]. Those who belong to deity religion will automatically come just by listening to few points. Like if a student is really interested in engineering study, he will proceed himself for the study.

Similarly, there is need to use knowledge only to the needed level. More exercise on knowledge is not going to help at all.

But, ego will make us to put effort more than required, and also in many cases at wrong times and incidents.
Murli Pt:- Gambheerataa se full marks jamaa hota hai. Mamma toh gambheerataa kee devi thi. = The virtue seriousness gives full marks. Mamma was a deity of seriousness.

Post Wed Jan 30, 2013 12:28 pm

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We learn more by seeing/remembering Baba than what he speaks (knowledge). So- the knowledge is in the lower level.

To accept anything or judge anything, there should be some inner power (discriminating power) , else we will not be able to judge at all. This is the one that makes difference between human and animal souls.

Similarly, one who has already the minimum level of discriminating power inside only will recognize god. Others cannot, whatever knowledge is input to them. that may be the reason why Baba says- "Give message to all. That is you duty. But, no need to argue or go into details. Those who belong to deity religion, will automatically come".
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Which is the right/best knowledge? :-

The one which gives us highest earnings is the best.

It is said knowledge brings happiness, knowledge brings power.

So- the knowledge that teaches and brings highest highest power and happiness is the real knowledge.

One who does not know value of money, cannot understand the value of knowledge in lowkik world.

And- purity is the highest earnings (power and happiness). Hence, one who realizes the value of purity only will be able to realize the right knowledge.

If anyone expects from the other or complains, the knowledge he has is not real/full.
Murli Pt:- Gambheerataa se full marks jamaa hota hai. Mamma toh gambheerataa kee devi thi. = The virtue seriousness gives full marks. Mamma was a deity of seriousness.

Post Wed Jan 30, 2013 12:30 pm

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SM 11-1-78(3):- Yah Brahma hai murabbi bachcha. Kahte hain trimurti brahma. Trimurti S va Trimurti V nahin kahenge. Dev2 Mahadev to Shankar ko kahte hain, phir Trimurti Brahma kyon kahte? Insay Praja rachte hain. To yah unki vanni(stree) banti hai. S va V vanni nahin bante hain. Yah bahut wonderful baatein hain samajhne ki. Besamajhvaale bhi samajhvaalon se in baaton may teekhe jaa sakte hain. Sirf baap aur varse ko yaad karna hai. Bas. Isee may hee mehnat hai.


= …. The one who understand less also can go ahead of those who understand more in these things. Because there is need just to remember Father and property. That is all. There is effort only in this.



SM 18-5-86(1):- Nutshell may toh kahte hain apney ko atma nishchay kar aur Baap ko yaad karo toh vikarm vinaash ho jaaye. Inko hee Bharat kaa praacheen yog kahaa jaataa. Vaastav may inko yog bhee naheen, yaad kahnaa chaahiye. Ismey mehnath hai. Yogi bahut kum/kam bante hain. YOG KEE SHIKSHAA PAHLEY CHAAHIYE. BAAD MAY GYAAN. Pahley2 hai baap kee yaad, hum ShivBaba ke bachche hain. Baap kahte hain dehee abhimaani bano. Yah hai ruhaani yaad ki yaatra. Gyaan kee yaatraa naheen. Ismey bahut mehnath karnee padey. Koyi toh saaraa din raath bhee yaad naheen karte. Bhal BKyaan kahlaatee hain, parantu baap ko yaad naheen kartee…….AISEY NAHEEN GYAAN MAY KOYI TEEKHAY JAATEY HAIN TOH VAH PUKKEY DEHI ABHIMAANI BANEY HAIN. DEHI ABHIMAANI JO HAIN VAH GYAAN KO ACHCHEE REETI DHAARAN KARTE HAIN. Baaki toh bahut hain jo gyaan ko achchee reeti samjhaate hain, parantu ShivBaba kee yaad bhool jaate hain. -27 [yaad, gyaani tu atma, warning]


= ....First teachings of yog is needed. Gyaan is next......
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Murli Pt:- Gambheerataa se full marks jamaa hota hai. Mamma toh gambheerataa kee devi thi. = The virtue seriousness gives full marks. Mamma was a deity of seriousness.

Post Wed Jan 30, 2013 12:34 pm

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Even god could not give knowledge as it is directly. He had to first give visions, that too not of himself, if Krishna, Brahma, etc.

He had to say- initially- i am indivisible light, then ling, then star, then point.

So- there is need of some dependency to give real knowledge.
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A murli point:- Knowledgeful does not mean to have knowledge of something. It also means to have knowledge of how much to give, when to give, to whom to give, how to give. Like before putting/sowing the seed, the ground is checked, before giving medicine, the condition of patient is checked, similarly we should use knowledge.
Murli Pt:- Gambheerataa se full marks jamaa hota hai. Mamma toh gambheerataa kee devi thi. = The virtue seriousness gives full marks. Mamma was a deity of seriousness.

Post Wed Jan 30, 2013 12:34 pm

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Knowledge sits in pure intellect- in simpler words- it is-

# like one can see only when his vision (eye sight) is clear.

# Or food can be digested only if there is already digesting power inside.
Murli Pt:- Gambheerataa se full marks jamaa hota hai. Mamma toh gambheerataa kee devi thi. = The virtue seriousness gives full marks. Mamma was a deity of seriousness.

Post Wed Jan 30, 2013 12:35 pm

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In the world, those who have higher level of knowledge are not the people who earn most. It is those who are excellent in business who earn highest.

Murli point also says- very few only do business with Baba.

so- how much transaction/relation happens with Baba is more important than what knowledge we have.
Murli Pt:- Gambheerataa se full marks jamaa hota hai. Mamma toh gambheerataa kee devi thi. = The virtue seriousness gives full marks. Mamma was a deity of seriousness.

Post Wed Jan 30, 2013 12:35 pm

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Where is the use of information?

BKs also have great task of doing service. Hence enough information is also necessary .

So- information should be used for such purposes.

This is the reason_ why Baba says- LISTEN TO RADIO NEWS, READ NEWS PAPERS, ETC.

But, we should not lose our self esteem in searching for these information.
Murli Pt:- Gambheerataa se full marks jamaa hota hai. Mamma toh gambheerataa kee devi thi. = The virtue seriousness gives full marks. Mamma was a deity of seriousness.

Post Wed Jan 30, 2013 12:37 pm

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A murli point- when science goes deeper more than the limit, it will invent weapons of mass destruction.

I think- similarly, when a person goes deeper in knowledge more than necessary he also will be committing a spiritual suicide and will be also misguiding together with guiding.
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Some more murli points about ego of knowledge:-

1)AM 2-2-69(Pg 33 and 34 of the book):- Ek mukhy shikshsaa bachchon ke prati de rahe hain. Ab service toh karnee hee hai. Yah toh sabhee bachchon ki buddhi may lakshy hai aur lakshy ko porn bhee karenge. Lekin is lakshy ko poorn karne ke liye beech may ek mukhy vighn aayegaa. Vah kounsaa pataa hai? Mukhy vighn service may baadhaa daalney ke liye kounsaa aayegaa? Sabhee ke aage naheen, majority ke aage aayegaa. Vah kounsaa vighn hai, pahley se hee bataa dete hain. Service karte2 yah dhyaan rakhnaa ki maine yah kiyaa, main hee yah kar saktaa hun… Yah main_pan aanaa – isko hee kahaa jaataa hai gyaan ka abhimaan, buddhi kaa abhimaan. In roopon may aage chal_kar vighn aayenge. Lekin pahley se hee is mukhy vighn ko aane naheen denaa. Isliye sadaa ek shabd yaad rakhnaa ki main nimitt hun. Nimitt ban_ney se hee niraakaari, nirahankaari, namrachitt, nis_sankalp avasthaa may rah saktey hain. Agar mane kiyaa, main2 toh maaloom hai kyaa hoga? Jaise nimitt ban_ney se niraakaari, nirahankaari , nirsankalp sthiti hoti hai, vaise hee main2 aane se magroori, murjhaayis, maayoosi aa jaati hai. Uski phir result kyaa hogi? Aakhree anth may uski result yahee hoti hai ki chalte2 jeete huye bhee mar jaate hain. Isliye is mukhy shikshaa ko sadaa saath rakhnaa ki main nimitt hun. Nimitt ban_ney se koyi bhee ahankaar utpann naheen hogaa. Naheen agar main_pan aa gayaa toh mat_bhed ke chakr may aa jaayenge. -33, 34 [gyaani tu atma]

= (Father is) giving one important teaching for the children….. What main obstacle will come in the service? … while doing service, having this feeling that- I have done this, I only can do this. … This I, I – this is called as ego of knowledge or ego of intellect. ……..

2)AM 09-06-69 (Pg 72 of the book) :- Buddhi may jyaadaa gyaan aa jaataa hai toh us_say phir jyaadaa albelaapan ho jaataa hai. Jo apney ko kum samajhdaar samajhte hain vah phir bhee teevr purushaarth kar rahe hain. Lekin jo apney ko jyaadaa samajhdaar samajhte hain vah jyaadaa albelaapan may aa gaye hain. Jaise pahley2 purushaarth ki tadpan thi. Aisaa bankar dikhaayenge. Yah karke dikhayenge. abhe vah tadpan khatmho gayi hai. Trupti ho gayi hai. Apney aapse trupt ho gaye hain. gyaan toh samajh liyaa, service toh kar hee rahe hain. Chal hee rahe hain. Yah trutp aatmaa is roop se naheen ban_naa hai. Purushaarth may tadaph honi chaahiye. Jaise baandheliyaan tadafti hain toh purushaarth bhee teevr kartee hain. Aur jo baandhelee naheen, vah trupt ho jaatee hain, toh albeley ho jaate hain. – 72 [gyaani tu atma]

= when more knowledge comes into intellect, then children become more careless. Those who consider themselves to be lesser intelligent/knowledgeful, they still (comparatively) do fast effort. But, those who consider themselves to be higher intelligent have become more careless...
Murli Pt:- Gambheerataa se full marks jamaa hota hai. Mamma toh gambheerataa kee devi thi. = The virtue seriousness gives full marks. Mamma was a deity of seriousness.

Post Sat Feb 02, 2013 1:00 am

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Purpose of knowledge is to experience God and reveal God.

But, ego of knowledge hinders both of these.

Hence it is said- truth/satyata is revealed by sabhyata (virtues).
Murli Pt:- Gambheerataa se full marks jamaa hota hai. Mamma toh gambheerataa kee devi thi. = The virtue seriousness gives full marks. Mamma was a deity of seriousness.

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