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# Post No. 196)Difficulties, Confusions, Understanding and Misunderstanding:-

It is a great challenge for ShivBaba in drama as he is given chance/entry only at the end of the kalpa when everything had been spoiled by Maya and people. That is why Baba has to explain in various ways.


For example, sometimes Baba says- "Remove the word yog, it is of Bhaktimarg".

1) Murli 22-6-15 says: " बाप कहते हैं मुझे याद करो फिर भी भूल जाते हैं। कहते हैं-बाबा योग टूट जाता है। बाबा ने कहा है योग अक्षर निकाल दो। वह तो शास्त्रों का अक्षर है। बाप कहते हैं-मुझे याद करो। योग भक्ति मार्ग का अक्षर है।"


= "Father says, remember Me. Even then children forget. They say Baba,we forget. Baba has said remove the word yog. It is the word of scriptures. Father says, remember Me. Yog is word of bhaktimarg. "

Does it mean we should remove the word yog or all the bhaktimarg words (like Gita, Shivratri, God, PatitiPavan, swarg, narak, manmanaabhav, etc- all these are bhakti words) totally?

Baba uses the word YOG extensively in murlis. For example, Rajyog, buddhiyog, yogbal, yogi jeevan/life, sahajyog, sahayog, etc. The only thing Baba means here is to simplify the meaning of yog and understand it in right perspective.


2)There is a murli point which says, "Jhooti Gita ko haath bhee math lagaavo = Do not even touch false/lowkik Gita".

But, again there is a murli point which says- "Gita se do chaar achche shlok lekar samjhaavo = Take a few good/relevant shlokas of Gita and explain."

3) Baba says, "Do not keep even photo of B Baba". But, again there is a murli point which says, "Prajapita ka alag photo honaa chaahiye = There should be a separate photo of Prajapita".

So, in which context baba has says is to be understood. For personal progress, there is no need of photo of B baba or lowkik Gita. But, for service activities or advertisement purposes, they are to be used.

Most of the times, Baba uses the word Shivbaba, Baba, father for himself (even in he is God). But, at some places when his importance is to be highlighted, Baba uses the word Bhagavaan/God for HIMSELF.


4)SM 17-5-81(2):- Brahma samaaji math_vaale jyoti ko Paramatma kahte hain. Duniya may yah kisko bhi pata nahin hai ki Parampita Paramatma bindi hai. To moonjh padte hain. Bachche bhi kahte hain Baba kisko yaad karen? Humney sunaa thaa vah badaa ling hai. Unko yaad kiya jata hai. Ab bindi ko kaise yaad kare? -26-

= Brahm samaaj people consider light as God. No one in this world knows that Supreme Soul is a point. Hence they get confused. Even children say, Baba, what/whom should we remember? We had heard that he is a big ling. That can be remembered. Now, how to remember point?

5) SM 1-4-77(2):- Baap baith samjhaate hain ab mujhe yaad karo. Manushy to sakar ko hi yaad karte hain. KAHENGE BIGAR SAKAR YAAD KISKO KARE? Bhakti may hirey huye hai na. Guru gosaayi yaa kisi devtaa ko yaad karte rahenge. -10 [yaad]


= Father sits and explains now, remember me. People remember sakar only. They say, without sakar, what should be remembered? They remember Guru, Gosaayi, or some deities.


Unfortunately even children get confused:-


6)SM 25-11-70(2):- Baap bigar aur koyi Baap kaa parichay de nahin saktaa. Kyonki Baap ko jaante hi nahin. YAHAAN BHI BAHUT HAIN JINKO BUDHI MAY NAHIN AATAA KI BAAP KO KAISE YAAD KAREY. MOONJHTE HAIN ITNI CHOTI BINDI, USKO KAISE YAAD KAREY. SHARIR TOH BADAA HAI NA. UNKO HI YAAD KARTE RAHTE HAIN. -1- [yaad]


= Except father, no one can give introduction of the father. Because no one knows tha Father. Even here also it does not sit in many children’s intellect how to remember the father. THEY GET CONFUSED, HE IS SUCH A SMALL POINT, HOW TO REMEMBER? BODY IS BIG, IS IT NOT. THEY REMEMBER BODY ONLY.

7) SM 31-3-77(3):- Yah badi samajhne ki baatein hain. TAKDEERVAALE HI DHAARAN KAR AURON KO BHI SAMJHAAVENGE. Vah phir mahima bhi likhte hain Baba- phalaane ne humko samjhaayaa to humaari kapaat hee khul gayi. Isney humko jeeydaan de diyaa. Phir unsey preet ho jaati hai. Phir likhte hain Baba usney humko jeeydaan diyaa hai. Usko hee yaad karte hai. PARNATU UNSEY CHUDAAYAA JAATA HAI. DALAAL KO THODE HEE YAAD KARNAA HAI. Dalaal ne to dalaali ki, khalaas. Phir saajan ko sajani yaad karti hai. Brahma ho gaya dalaal. Yaad isko nahin karnaa hai. Shivbaba ko yaad karnaa hai. Yah dalaal bhi us shivbaba ko yaad karte hain. Inki mahimaa nahin. Yah to patit hai. Pahley inmey pravesh kar inko pavan banaanaa hai. Ek patit, ek pavan. PAVAN KI BHI SHAKL DIKHAANI CHAAHIYE. SOOKSHMVATAN MAY BRAHMA HAI PAAVAN. Yahaan yah patit hai. Phir aakar rajaayi karenge. Samjhaani baar2 dee jaati hai. -9 [yaad, inf, dhaarnaa, Prajapita]


= These are deep matters to be understood. Those who have fortune only will inculcate and help others in inculcating. Then they(those who received help) write, baba by the teachings of such and such souls, the lock of our intellect opened. They(such and such soul) gave us life. Then they start to love them. Then they begin to remember them/him/her. BUT SUCH A RELATION IS TO BE BROKEN. THE MEDIATOR IS NOT TO BE REMEMBERED. The mediator did the mediation. FINISHED. THEN THE BRIDE STARTS TO REMEMBER THE GROOM. Brahma is the mediator. You should not remember him. This is impure. ......

8)An excellent murli point

SM 8-2-79(2, 3):- Dekhaa jaataa hai koyi achchee kumaari vaa javaan maataa dekhte hain toh unki deh me mamatw ho jaataa hai. Yah bahut achchee hai. Bahut meethaa samjhaatee hai. MAYA LALCHAA DETI HAI. UNKI TAKDEER MAY NAHEEN HAI TOH MAYA SAAMNEY AA JAATI HAI. KITNAA BHEE SAMJHAAVO TOH GUSSAA LAGEGAA. YAH NAHEEN SAMAJHTE HAIN KI YAH DEH ABHIMAAN HEE KAAM KARAA RAHE HAIN. AGAR JYAADAA SAMJHAATE HAIN TOH TOOT PADTE HAIN. ISLIYE PYAAR SE CHALAANAA PADTAA HAI. KIS_SEY DIL LAG JAATI HAI TOH BAATH MATH POOCHO. PAAGAL HO JAATE HAIN. MAYA EKDUM BESAMAJH BANAA DETI HAI. ISLIYE BAAP SAMJHAATE HAIN KABHEE KOYI KE NAAM ROOP MAY NAHEEN FASNAA. Main atma hun aur jo Baap videhee hai, unsey hee pyaar rakhnaa hai. Yahee mehnath hai. Koyi bhee deh may mamatw na ho. Aise naheen ghar may baithay bhee vah gyaan denevaalee yaad aatee rahe. Badee meethee hai, bahut achchaa samjhaatee hai. Arey- meethaa toh gyaan hai. Meethee atma hai. Shareer thode hee meethaa hai. Baath karnevaalee bhee aatmaa hai. Kabhee bhee shareer par aashik naheen honaa hai. Isliye Baap kahte hain Baba kaa photo aadi bhee na nikaalo. Baba ko toh bahut khyaal hotaa hai- photo aadi na rakhe. Chitron may toh samjhaane ke liye photo denaa hee padtaa hai., vahee kaaphee hai. BAAKI KISKAA PHOTO NAHEEN RAKHNAA CHAAHIYE. AGAR INKO YAAD KARENGE TOH KUCH BHEE NAHEEN MILEGAA. BHAL SAMAJHTE HO YAH RATH HAI. PARANTU SHIVBABA KO CHOD RATH KO HEE YAAD KIYAA TOH MAR PADENGE. KOYI BHEE CHITR NAHEEN RAKHNAA HAI. NAHEEN TOH USMEY PHAS PADENGE. ……..VARSAA BAAP SE MILNAA HAI VAA BAAP SE? MAA KO BHEE PAISA KAHAAN SE KAHAAN SE MILEGAA? SIRF MAA2 KAHNE SE ZARAA BHEE PAAP NAHEEN KATENGE. BAAP KAHTE HAIN MAAMEKUM YAAD KARO. NAAM ROOP MAY NAHEEN FASNAA HAI. AUR HEE PAAP HO JAAYEGAA. KYONKI BAAP KAA NAFARMAAN BARDAAR BANTE HO. BAAP SAMJHAATE HAIN MAIN TUM BACHCHON KO LENE AAYAA HUN, SO ZAROOR LE JAAVOONGAA. ISLIYE MERE KO YAAD KARO. PATIT PAAVAN MAIN HUN. BAAP KE DIRECTION PAR CHALO. TUM BHEE BAAP KE DIRECTION PAR AURON KO SAMJHAATE RAHO. TUM THODE HEE PATIT PAAVAN THAHREY. Yaad ek ko hee karnaa hai. Humaaraa toh ek baap doosraa na koyi. Baap aap par hee vaari jaayenge. Vaari jaanaa toh shivbaba par hee hai. Aur sabki yaad choot jaani chaahiye. Bhaktimaarg may toh bahuton ko yaad karte rahe hain. Yahaan toh ek shivbaba doosraa na koyi. Phior bhee koyi apni chalaate hain toh kyaa gati sadgati hogi? MOONJH PADTE HAI BINDI KO KAISE YAAD KAREY. Arey- tumko apni aatmaa yaad hai na ki main aatmaa hun. Vah bhee bindi roop hee hai. Toh tumhaaraa baap bhee bindi hai. Baap se varsaa miltaa hai. Maa toh phir bhee dehdhaari ho jaati hai. Tumko videhee se hee varsaa milnaa hai. Isliye aur sab baaton ko chod ek se buddhiyog lagaanaa hai. Inki {Brahma ki} yaad se ek bhee paap naheen kategaa. Achchaa. 52-, 53 [yaad, warning, SP] -vimp

= ........... (Children) get confused how to remember POINT. Arey- you know/think that I am a soul point, is it not? That is also point only. So, even your father is also a point. ......... [Translation of the whole will be done later].



9) SM 7-2-81(3):- Kayi bachhon ko abhi tak Baap ka pooraa parichay mila nahin hai, jab tak takdeer khuley. Jab yah samjhe ki hum atma bindi samaan hain, SHIVBABA BHI BINDI HAIN, hum bindi ko parampita parmatma bindi ko yaad karna hai. Aisey samajh jab yaad kare to vikarm vinaash ho. Baaki saakshaatkaar aadi may bindi ko dekhaa yah bhi Maya ka vighn hai. Khushi toh hoti hai. Parantu gyaan bhi chahiye na. -51-


= Even till now, some children have not yet received/understood complete introduction of the father from which only luck can open. When they understand that I am a soul point, EVEN SHIVBABA IS POINT. I, the point should remember the point God. Remembrance done with such an understanding (only) will burn the sins. Seeing point even in vision are obstacles of Maya. (By vision) happiness is felt. But, there is need of knowledge, is it not?

Baba says, to see point in vision is also like Maya (that is not enough). There is need to feel self and baba as point. Highest clarification is available in this murli point.
Last edited by mbbhat on Wed Jul 22, 2015 12:36 am, edited 3 times in total.
Murli Pt:- Gambheerataa se full marks jamaa hota hai. Mamma toh gambheerataa kee devi thi. = The virtue seriousness gives full marks. Mamma was a deity of seriousness.


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10)Shivbaba sometimes compromises, but it may mean more:-

SM 10-1-87(1):- Vah aakar RY sikhaate hain. Tum jaante ho Shivbaba humko padhaa rahe hain. Zaroor aankhon se dekhenge na. Atma bhi hai na. Tum kahte ho hum atma hain, zaroor star misal hain. DEKHNE BHI AATAA HAI. Khud atma kahti hai main star hun. Bahut maheen hun. Atma bhrukuti ke beech rahti hai. Yah bhi jaante hain. Koyi kahte hain hum kaise jaane. ACHCHA BHRUKUTI MAY NAHIN SAMJHO, KAHAAN NA KAHAAN TO HAI. BHRUKUTI MAY NAHIN SAMJHO TO AANKHON MAY SAMJHO. Atma hee kahti hai yeh mera shareer hai. Bhrukuti shuddh sthaan hai. Isliye atma kaa nivaas sthaan yahaan dikhaate hain. Teekaa nishaani bhee yahaan dee jaati hai.


= He comes and teaches rajayog. You know that Shivbaba teaches us. Definitely he will see through eyes. There is also soul (inside the body) is it not? You say I am a soul. Definitely it is like a star. It is also seen (through vision). The soul itself says I am a star, very subtle. Soul resides at the BHRUKUTI(forehead). (You) know all these. Some say, how can we know (be sure)? Ok, if you cannot feel it in the forehead, anyhow, it is present at least somewhere (in the body). (So) if you cannot feel it between the eyebrows, consider it in eyes. The soul only says/speaks, THIS IS MY BODY. Bhrukuti (forehead) is the pure place. Hence the place of soul is shown there. The dot is also put there.


This murli point is also a proof that place is not important. Form is important. So, a soul or Baba can be remembered anywhere else. Because they are the most powerful entities and can move anywhere.

11) SM 22-3-78(2):- Toophaan bade zhor se aavenge dagmagaane ke liye. Parantu phir bhi tum apnaa purushaarth karte chalo. IS SHARIR KO BHULAANAA ATHVA BAAP KI YAAD MAY RAHNA BAAT EK HEE HAI. Apne ko atma ashareeri samajhna pade.


= ....Forgetting the body or remembering the Father – both are one and the same.

Is just forgetting the body can be called as right remembrance?*


12)SM 1-5-79(2):- Yaad se hi kat utharthi jaavegi. BAAP KO YAAD KARNA GOYA GHAR KO AUR RAJAYI KO YAAD KARNA. Sadaiv Baba-Baba karte raho. Yah hai braahmanon ki ruhaani yaatraa. Supreme ruh Baap ko yaad karte2 ghar pahunch jaavenge. Apne ko atma samajh baap ko yaad karna hai. Jitna dehi abhimani ban_ne ka purusharth karenge, to karm indriyaan bhi vash hoti jaavengi. Karmendriyon ko vash karne ka ek hi upaay yaad kaa hai. -57 [WOT]

= By remembrance only, rust will get decreased. To remember the Father, means to remember home and the Kingdom. Always say baba, baba......

Is remembering father is equal to remembering home and property/heaven as well? *


13) many times baba says, "Saints remember just home, but not the father. Hence sins do not get burnt".

Even saints forget their body during their meditation. But, why their yaad is not said as right yaad?

Because children/Bks have enough knowledge. So, even if they remember any one of these- Paramdham, Baba, or property, they will automatically remember the other two. Also, if a person having right knowledge try to forget his body, he will automatically remember the soul as he has clear knowledge of it.

For example, a baby when sees some elder person will automatically think of its parents. But, orphans may not be so.

14) SM 15-6-85(2):- Tum khushi may rahte ho. YAH BHI JAANTE HO BAAP KI YAAD BHI PAKKI THAH_REGI TAB JAB SWAYAM KO ATMA NISHCHAY KARENGE. Abhi toh bhool jaate hain phir deh abhimaan may aa jaate hai. Jab yahaan baithay ho to bhi koshish kar apney ko atma nishchay karo toh Baap ki bhi yaad rahegi. DEH MAY AANE SE PHIR DEH KE SAB SAMBANDH YAAD AAYENGE. YAH EK LAW HAI. TUM GAATE BHI HO- MERAA TOH EK DOOSRAA NA KOYI. BABA, HUM BALIHAAR JAAYENGE. VAH ABHI SAMAY HAI. EK KO HEE YAAD KARNAA HAI. AANKHON SE BHAL KISKO BHI DEKHO, GHOOMO, PHIRO. SIRF ATMA KO BAAP KO YAAD KARNAA HAI. SHARIR NIRVAAH ARTH KARM BHI KARNAA HAI. PARANTU KAAM KAAR DEY, DIL YAAR DEY. ATMA KO APNEY MAASHUK KO HEE YAAD KARNAA HAI. KOYI KI SAKHI SE PREETH HO JAATI HAI TOH PHIR UNKI HEE YAAD THAHAR JAATI HAI. PHIR VAH RAG/RUG TOOT_NAY MAY BADI MUSHKILAATH HO JAATI HAI. POOCHTE HAI BABA, YAH KYAA KAREY? AREY- TUM NAAM ROOP MAY KYON PHASTEY HO? EK TOH TUM DEH ABHIMAAN BANTE HO, AUR DOOSRAA TUMHAARAA KOYI PAST KA HISAAB KITAAB HAI. VAH DOKHAA DETE HAIN. BAAP KAHTE HAIN IN AANKHON SE JO KUCH BHI DEKHTE HO, UNMEY BUDDHI NA JAAYE. TUMHAAREE BUDDHI MAY YAH RAHE KI HUMKO SHIVBABA PADHAATE HAIN. -88 [yaad, srimath_raay]


= you also know this that remembrance of father would be strong only if you consider yourself as soul. Now you forget and come in body conscious. If you consider yourself as soul, even father’s remembrance would be there. If you feel body, then you bodily relations would come into remembrance. THIS IS A LAW ……



15) A great murli point.

SM 2-9-83(1):- Aaj sadguruvaar hai. Tumhaaraa toh sadguruvaar roz hai. Sadguru roz tumko padhaate hain. Aur vah tumhaaraa Baap bhee hai. Yah toh nishchay hona chahiye na. Sarvavyaapi naheen kahenge. Harek atma ki buddhi may hai patit pavan parampita parmatma humko Rajayog sikhlaate hain. Vah gyaan ka saagar hai. yah toh buddhi may nishchay rahna chaahiye. YAH EK HEE BAAP HAI JISKO KOYI BHEE ROOP MAY YAAD KARO. BUDDHI OOPAR NIRAAKAAR KI TARAF CHALEE JAATI HAI. KOYI AAKAAR VA SAKAR NAHEEN. Aatmaavon ko parampita parmatama se ab kaam padaa hai. Parantu jaante naheen. Saahstron may toh gyaan naheen. -1 [yaad, WOT]

= Today is Sadguruvaar (Thursday). Sadguru(True Guru) teaches you everyday. And, he is also your father. This faith should be there, is it not. he is not omnipresent. In every soul (child)'s intellect knows that the Supreme Soul, Purifier teaches us Rajayog. He is Ocean on Knowledge. This faith should be there in intellect. THIS IS THE ONLY ONE FATHER IN WHATEVER FORM HE IS REMEMBERED, THE INTELLECT GOES ABOVE TO THE INCORPOREAL. NEITHER CORPOREAL OR SUBTLE. the souls now have work from Supreme Soul. But, they do not know HIM. In scriptures, there is no knowledge.

The specialty of God is this. In whatever form he is remembered, the intellect goes above, neither sakar, nor aakaar. For example, in most difficult situations, people may utter word with heart Allah, Ram, krishna, Shiva, etc with full heart or concentration, the intellect will not think of human Krishna or human ram. It will think of the incorporeal.


16) Baba says the same thing here.

SM 10-3-82(1):- Atma jab sharir may pravesh karti hai to andar churpur hoti hai. Maaloom padtaa hai andar atma ne pravesh kiyaa hai, bachche ke organs chalney lage. Yah baatein achchi reeti samajhni hai aur jo bhi manushy vah koyi aisey nahin kahte hain ki hum atma tumko samjhaate hain. VAH PRASIDDH HAIN SHARIR SE. YAH SHIVBABA BIGAR SHARIR PRASIDDH HAI. Vichitr hai na.Unko apnaa sharir nahin hai. SHARIRDHAARI KO KAB BHAGAVAAN NAHIN KAHNAA CHAAHIYE. STHOOL VA SOOKSHM KOYI BHI HO. Atma in organs se yaad karti hai Parampita Parmatma ko. Vah to baithkar manushyon ke banaaye shaastr sunaate hain. Yahaan yah nayi baath Bhagavaanuvaach. Bhagavaan koun hain jisko sabhi bhakt hee Bhagavaan2 kah yaad karte hain. BVS ke to naam jaante hain. HEY BRAHMA, HEY VISHNU KAH PUKAARTE HAIN. VAH HAIN DEVTAAYEIN. UNKO YAAD KARNE SE NIRAAKAAR HEE YAAD AATE HAIN. NIRAAKAAR PARMAATMAA KAA HEE BANDAGI KARTE HAIN. Vah kahte hain main bhi atma, parantu Supreme hun. Meraa bhi chitr banaate hain, Tum aatmavon kaa bhi chitr banaate hain. MANDIRON MAY BADAA SHIVLING BHI RAKHTE HAIN AUR CHOTE2 SAALIGRAAM BHI JINSEY HEE SIDDH HOTAA HAI KI HUM AATMAAYEIN HAIN, EK PARMAATMAA HAI. Baap hameshaa bachchon se badaa hotaa hai. Isliye badaa ling banaate hain. Vaastav may main koyi size may badaa nahin hun. -76- [Shivbaba, BVS, WOT]

= .......People know names of BVS. "They call hey Brahma, hey Vishnu," They are deities. (But, when people any deity deeply, like HEY ...), they think of incorporeal only. PEOPLE WORSHIP THE INCORPOREAL GOD ONLY. .....



16b)SM 8-7-70(4):-Mala to hai Shivbaba ki. Ram2 kah_kar mala pherkar pichaadi may aakar Shivbaba ko maathaa tekthe hain. Kyonki usnay inhon ko aisaa banaayaa. Yah sabhi devta ban gaye. Rudr_Mala hai na. Phir vahi rund_mala banti hai. Yah arth bhi tum samajhte ho. Hum abhi Shivbaba rudr ke gale ka haar banen. Hum padhaayi padhte hain. Phir hum poojy banenge. Tum hi Rudr_mala, tumhi Rund_mala, tumhi poojaari bante ho. Aape hi poojy… HUMSO KA ARTH KITNA SAHAJ HAI.


=Mala is of shivbaba. They chant Ram2 and then in the end bow to Shivbaba. Because he only made these like that. All of these became deities. There/It is Rudr Mala, is it not? Then that itself becomes rundmala(rund=face, rundmala= Vishnumala which is of corporeal, that is both soul and body are worshiped). You know meaning of this also. We learn the study. Then we become worship worthy. You only become rudrmala, you only become Vishnu Mala, you only become worshipers. You only are worship worthy and you only are worshipers. HOW SIMPLE IT IS- THE MEANING OF “HUM SO= WE ARE THAT and THAT IS US.”


So, even when devotees chant ram2 here, their intellect will be thinking incorporeal, not the human King Silver Aged Ram. Few couple of such points below.


17)SM 17-7-81(2):- Tum jaante ho Satyug ke liye Rajayi le rahe hain. Satyug may koun honge? In LN ki dynasty hogi. AUR BHI TO RAAJAYEIN HONGE NA JISKI NISHANI HAI VIJAYMALA. RUDR_MALA SO VISHNU KI MALA BANTI HAI RAJAYI KE LIYE. Bachche jaante hain abhi hum VijayMala may pirone ke liye purushaarth kar rahe hain. Duniya may Mala ka arth koyi nahin jaante hain ki yah kyon pooji jaati hai. Oopar may phool kyaa hai. Mala ko pherte2 phir phool ko Namaste karte hain. Phir mala pherenge. Mala baith simirte hain ki kahaan baahar khyaalaat na jaaye. Andar Ram2 ki dhun lagate hain. -121- [mala, sp]



= you know we receive kingdom for the Golden age. Who will be there in Satyug? There will be dynasty of LN. There will be other kings also, is it not whose sign/symbol is shown as Vijay mala. Rudrmala becomes Vishnu mala to receive/rule Kingdom. Children know that we are doing effort to get added into Vijay mala. No one in the world knows why mala is worshiped. What does the flower on the top means? (The devotees) while rotating the beads in the rosary, salute to the flower. Then again they rotate the beads. They sit and rotate the beads such that the intellect does not go outside. Inside they utter Ram2.


18) There is a murli point that says- "Vah toh Ram paramatma ko samajhthay hain = They consider Ram for God." = They call God as Ram.

Who consider God? In one way, Bks consider God as (true= incorporeal) Ram. But, in the above murli point, Baba mean that "when the devotees utter word Ram in special occasions (like in deep concentration), their mind thinks of the incorporeal only". [To prove that real/useful Ram is Shivbaba/God only].*

19)Of course, baba has also said lowkik people consider human Ram as God.

SM 16-11-71(1):- "Ram kaha jata hai ShivBaba ko. Parantu unhoney paramatma, Ram ko samajh liyaa hai"


= (ACTUALLY) Rama is said for ShivBaba (Incorporeal Supreme Soul Shiva). But, they (lowkik people) have thought 'Supreme Soul' to be (corporeal) Rama.


*- Now, the above murli point can be interpreted in two ways. a) They (devotees) remember God only even while chanting ram2 during rotating beads of mala, etc. But, still they do not know God in reality.- the right one or

b) They(Bks) consider ram as incorporeal one (Shivbaba), but actually Ram is human soul. - a great mis interpretation by the splinter groups. Due to this, they consider the Iron Aged (impure) personality as Ram. It is an unfortunate, but as per drama, it is right.
Last edited by mbbhat on Sat Aug 08, 2015 2:17 pm, edited 2 times in total.
Murli Pt:- Gambheerataa se full marks jamaa hota hai. Mamma toh gambheerataa kee devi thi. = The virtue seriousness gives full marks. Mamma was a deity of seriousness.


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20) Confusion will be there for weak intellects:-

SM 8-2-89(2):- Oonch pad paanaa ho to yah practice karo. Deh bhaan chodo. Sanyaasi bhi vikaaron ko chodte hain na. AAge satoprdhaan thay. Abhee toh vah bhee tamopradhaan ban pade hain. Satopradhaan atma kashish karti hai. Kyonki aatma pavitr hai. Toh apavitr aatmaavon ko kheenchtee hai. Bhal punarjanm may aate hain. Parantu pavitr hone kaaran kheenchte hain. Kitney unhon ke followers bante hain. Jitni pavitrataa kee jaastee taakat utney bahut followers. YAH BAAP TOH EVERPURE HAI. Tum koyi inkey pichaadee naheen bhaage. Yaha kahte hain main toh patit thaa na. SABSEY JAASTEE POOREY 84 JANM YAH PRAVRUTTIMAARG MAY RAHAA. Yah toh tumko kheench na sakey. Baap kahte hain maine tumko kheenchaa. TUMKO ISKEE TOH YAAD BHEE NAHEEN AANEE CHAAHIYE. Bhal sanyaasi pavitr rahte hain. Parantu mere jaisaa pavitr toh koyi bhee hogaa naheen. -52- [yaad, rath, SP]


= .........This father(Shivbaba) is EVERPURE. You did not run towards this (B baba). This says I was impure, maximum for the period of 84 births in house hold path. He cannot attract you. Father says, I had attracted you. You should not get even remembrance of this( B baba). .....

Arey- should not we think of even B baba when Baba says- you have double engine, follow father Brahma Baba, etc?!


21)SM 4-9-82(2):- Bahut bachche saadhaaran roop dekh moonjh padtey hain. Ultaa bolney lag padtey hain. Achche2 bachchon ko bhi maya chamaat maar deti hai. SAMAJHTEY HAIN BAS, JO KUCH HAI NIRAAKAAR HI HAI. SO TOH THEEK HAI NA. NIRAAKAAR NA HOTAA TO HUM TUM KAISE HOTEY? PARANTU NIRAAKAAR KO RATH TO ZAROOR CHAAHIYE NA. RATH BIGAR KYAA KARENGE. SHIVBABA KYAA KAREGAA? RATH MAY AAVE, TAB TOH UNSEY MILENGE. TUMHI SE SUNOO, TUMHI SE BAITHOO, .. TO RATH ZAROOR CHAAHIYE NA. ACHCHA SAKAR BIGAR NIRAAKAAR KO YAAD KAR DIKHAAVO. KYAA TUMKO GYAAN PRERANAA SE MILEGAA? PHIR MERE PAAS AAYE HI KYON HO? YAH BABA BHI KAHTAA HAI KI VARSAA TOH SHIVBABA SE LENAA HAI. SHIVBABA KAHTE HAIN MAIN IS SAADHAARAN TANN MAY BAITH PADHAATAA HUN. PADHAAYI TOH ZAROOR CHAAHIYE NA. BAHUT ACHCHE2 BACHCHON KAA MATHAA FIR JAATAA HAI. 2- 4 CENTRE KHOLEY TOH BAS AHANKAAR AA JAATAA HAI. TOH BOLTEY RAHTEY HAIN. Fir buddhi may ka baa bhi nahin jaataa ki humney theek nahin kahaa. Fir pashchaattaap karte hain. Baba kahtey hain main sakar bigar kaise samjhaavoongaa. Ismey preranaa ki toh baath hi nahin. Main teacher ke roop may baithaa hun. -6 [rath, sakar-niraakaar]

= Many children confuse by seeing the ordinary form. They start to speak ulta(opposite). Maya hits even good children. They think, whatever is there, it is just of incorporeal. O, that is right, is it not. If there is no incorporeal, what you could have done? But, the incorporeal should definitely need chariot, is it not? Without chariot, what ca he do? What Shivbaba can do? When he comes in the chariot, then only you will meet him, is it not? I will her only from you, I will listen only from you,... So, chariot is definitely necessary, is it not? Ok, without the corporeal, remember the incorporeal and show/prove it. Will you get knowledge by inspiration? Then why have you come to me? Even this baba says, you get property from Shivbaba. ......


Due to Shivbaba being bodiless and highly dependent on the impure body/chariot, he sometimes has to highlight the body (to understand the gyan and for service activities), sometimes has to take intellect of the children away for purification of the soul. Some children will neglect B baba and become egoist, so Baba may have to stress a little bit more than required about the corporeal personality. So, sometimes baba speaks in many ways. The souls who have thirst for spiritual love only will be able to realize spiritual father.


A similar one:-

22) There is a murli point that says- "Agar atma ko jaaney, toh paramatma ko bhee jaaney = If someone comes to know about soul, they will also come to know about God".

23)Similarly, "Baap/beej ko jaan_ney se saaraa vruksh ko jaan jaayenge = By knowing father/seed, one will understand the whole tree".

24) Now,

SM 8-9-73(2):- Vahaan phir samajhte hain ab sharir badaa ho gaya hai. INKO ab chodna hai. Apne time par khushi se chod dete hain. ATMA KAA GYAAN POORAA HAI. Baap kaa gyaan bilkul nahin hai. Drama may hai nahin. Vahaan Baap ko kyon yaad kare? Darkaar hee nahin. – 101-

= There (in heaven), deities will think now the body has become big(old). It is to be left. At their own time, they leave the body with happiness. THERE IS COMPLETE KNOWLEDGE OF SOUL. THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NO KNOWLEDGE OF THE FATHER. It is not in drama. Why should baba be remembered there? Not necessary.

Deities will not have full knowledge of soul (about 84 births) there. But, here Baba has said "complete knowledge".

Now, when there is knowledge of soul to such an extent in heaven, why absolutely no knowledge of God?In bhaktimarg, people will have much lesser knowledge of soul than the deities. But, still think or have idea about God. How come?

Because in bhaktimarg, when sorrow enters, people put some effort and think/churn, hence yields some result. Where as in Golden Age, there is no effort, hence nothing about God comes in their intellect.

Similarly, for a person having right knowledge, if he thinks anything of these- soul, Baba, Home, heaven, automatically will lead to right yaad. Else, for others, even if they think of the brahm tatw, chant anything, their intellect will not realize the SUPREME.

25)SM 2-11-82(1, 2):- Saahukaaron ko sun_ne ki fursath nahin milti. Fursath gareebon ko milti hai. Tumhaari jitni fursath kisko bhi nahin hai. Narayan kumar hai {Rozi bahan ki pitaaji} dekho kitnaa swatantr hai. Vaanaprasth avasthaa hai. AISAA PARIVAAR DOOSRAA KOYI NAHIN HAI. Jinko lafdey jyaadaa hai. Unkaa yog lag nahin saktaa. Aaj Baba bachchi se pooch raha thaa ki tum jaante ho hum kiske rath ki seva kar rahe hain. Ghode ki sambhaal karnevaalaa kahegaa hum falaaney saheb ki ghode ki sambhaal kar rahe hain. Tum bhi jaante ho yah kiskaa rath hai. AGAR SHIVBABA KO YAAD KAR TUM IS RATH KI SEVA KARO TOH TUM BAHUTON SE ACHCHAA PAD PAA SAKTEY HO. YAH HUVAA RATH. YAAD TOH SHIVBABA KO KARNAA HAI. YAH BHI YAAD KARE TO BEDAA PAAR HO SAKTAA HAI. -69, 69- [rath, yaad, WOT]

= ......IF YOU DO SERVICE OF THE CHARIOT IN THE REMEMBRANCE OF SHIVBABA, YOU WILL GET HIGHER STATUS THAN MANY. THIS IS CHARIOT. YOU NEED TO REMEMBER SHIVBABA. Even if this is present in your mind, your boat will be saved.

[Many times Baba says, you should not even think of B baba. You will get nothing out of it.] So, the point is, in the remembrance of Shivbaba/seed/foundation, do service of others or come in the company of others. That only will yield highest result. The foundation should not be forgotten.
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26) Aim and object not Lakshmi & Narayan?!

Usually Baba says LN is your aim and object. But, here-

SM 11-3-10(3):- Gyan se bhi jaante hain ki hum beggar to prince ban rahe hain. HUMAARI AIM OBJECT HI RADHE KRISHN BAN_NE KI HAI. LN NAHIN, RADHE KRISHN. Kyonki poorey 5000 varsh to inkey hi kahenge. LN ke toh phir bhi 20- 25 varsh kum ho jaate hain. Isliye Krishn ki mahimaa jaasti hai. Yah kisko pataa nahin ki Radhe Krishn hi phir so LN bante hain. –[RK, WOT]

= From knowledge, we know that we become beggar to prince. Our aim object is to become Radha Krishna(RK), not Lakshmi Narayan. Because full 5000 yrs is said for RK. There is shortage of 20 to 25 yrs of LN. Hence praise for Krishn is more. Nobody knows this that RK themselves become LN.


Of course, both are one and the same. But, just to explain in some angle, Baba speaks so.

When Baba says aim and object are LN, it highlights the highest status (World Emperor and Empress]. Because Krishna is yet to get power.


27)SM 14-04-79(1):- Nepal may Vishnu ka bahut bada chitr hai, Ksheer sagar may dikhaate hain. Pani may thoda doodh daal dete hain pooja ke dinon may. Yah LN ko milaakar chaturbhuj dikhaye hain. Vaastav may milte bhi nahin hain. Lakshmi kaa janm hee alag. Narayan kaa janm hee alag. Radhe kaa alag Krishn kaa alag Maa Baap. Donon ke alag2. Donon ikatte kaise aa sakte? Yah bhi buddhi may aanaa chaahiye na. Purush badaa hotaa hai, Stree choti aayu ki hoti hai. Baap samjhaate hain yah bhaktimarg ke shaastr chitr aadi jo bhi hai unko ab chod dena hai. Abhi bhakti poora hota hai. Vah sab bhool javo. -38-


= ......Four hands are shown by mixing L &N. Actually both do not mix. Birth of L is separate/different and that of N is separate. (Birth of) Radha is different, Krishn is different. Parents of radha and Krishna are different. How can both come together? This also should come into intellect, is it not? Male is elder. Age of female is lesser. Father says, this bhaktimarg pictures should be given up(ignored).

Actually, L and N mix(are couple). It is R and K who do not mix (are not couple). But why does Baba say here L and N do not mix? Mostly Baba is speaking in their (lowkik people) words. That is, lowkik people do not know when L and N (R and K) mix and also do not know the age difference.

But, yes in fact, there is no real mix. That is, there are two bodies. No one can have four hands (as shown in Vishnu or Mahalakshmi personalitiies).


28) Lekhraj cannot become Prajapita?!

Sakar Murli (27-08-1964, last page) :- Yeh, jo Brahma vyakt hai, woh abhi Raat hai, woh fir Din baan raha hai. Abhi, yeh patit hai jo pavan baan raha hai; toh, isliyae yeh Brahma ko dikhlaate hain. Prajapita so toh yahan hi hoga... Agar Kahenge Inka antim janm kya hai (toh kahenge) Lekhraaj ya Lakhiraaj hai, per woh toh Prajapita baan nahi sakta hai. Ye Itne sabhi jo Baba-Mama kahate hain, Inko toh Prajapita nahi kahenge."

= 'This Brahma that is visible, that is now night, then it becomes day. Now this one is impure who is becoming pure. That's why this Brahma is shown. Prajapita will be here....If we say what is this one's last birth (it will be said) he is Lekhraj or Lakhiraaj, but he cannot be Prajapita. All of these who are called Baba-Mama (Mummy and daddy or mother and father), they cannot be called Prajapita.

In better words, -" This Brahma who is visible('vyakt' or in 'Sakar'), who is now in night, then comes into day. NOW THIS ONE is impure, who is BECOMING PURE. That's why THIS Brahma is shown. Prajapita (Dada Lekhraj) has to be here....If we say what is this one's last birth (it will be said) he was Lekhraj or Lakhiraaj, but he cannot be (called) Prajapita (in his last birth, BEFORE ENTRY of ShivBaba - he becomes Prajapita ONLY AFTER ENTRY of ShivBaba, which is then considered to be the 84th birth). All of these who are called Baba-Mama (who are addressed as Father-Mother in lokik by their respective offspring), they cannot be called Prajapita."

That is- Shivbaba is stressing his incarnation here. "No one else in this world can be called as Prajapita. Even Lekhraj himself cannot become Prajapita. It is only due to MY incarnation in him he gets elevated to Prajapita, not his individual merit".

So, till 1936/37, Dada Lekhraj cannot be called as Prajapita. And, after 1936/37, when ShivBaba enters, his official spiritual designation changes to Prajapita Brahma - Then he is not playing role simply as Dada Lekhraj, but as Prajapita Brahma.


But, without taking full meaning, some argue - "Lekhraj/BBaba cannot be Prajapita" (even if hundreds of other murli points clearly say "B Baba is Prajapita".


29) Mu Point:- Agar takdeer may naheen hai, toh literature se bhee ultaa lete hain = If not in luck, some take opposite/wrong meaning from the literature (or murli points).

30a)SM 8-10-77(1):- Geeth- Badal jaaye duniyaa na badlenge hum…. Om Shanti. Yah bachchon ki guarantee vaa pratigyaa hai. PRATIGYAA KOYI MUKH SE NAHIN KEE JATI HAI. JAB BACHCHE BAAP KO PAHCHAAN LETE HAIN TO PRATIGYAA HO HEE JATI HAI. -53 [wot]

= Song....Om Shanti. Children have this guarantee or promise in them. (In fact) oath/promise is not done through mouth. When children recognize Father, automatically, oath is taken.


30b)SM 9-12-82(2):- Ab sadgati may jaanaa hai toh Baap kaa ban_naa padey. PRATIGYAA BHI KARNI PADTI HAI BABA HUM AAPKO SADAIV YAAD KARTE RAHENGE. DEH KA ABHIMAAN CHOD HUM DEHI HO RAHENGE. GRUHASTH VYAVAHAAR MAY RAHTE HUM PAVITR RAHENGE. MANUSHY KAHTE HAIN YAH KAISE HOGA. Arey Baap kahte hain is antim janm may pavitr ban merey saath yog lagaavo toh tumhaarey vikarm vinaash honge aur chakr ko yaad karenge to chakravarti raja banenge. -121 [PM, yaad]
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31)Brahma and Saraswati not male and female?

Murli 29-7-15 says: '' ब्रह्मा-सरस्वती कोई आपस में मेल-फीमेल नहीं हैं।' = ["Brahma-Saraswati are not male-female."]

Means they are father and daughter (pure relation).

Baba usually says- Bhaayi bahan kaa sambandh pavitr hai, sukh kaa hai. Stree prurush kaa sambandh dukh/apavitr kaa hai. = The brother and sister relation is of purity/happiness, and that of male-female is of impurity and brings sorrow.

Even the father and daughter relation is pure.

Baba also says, "stree-purush kaa sambandh Dwapur se shuru hota hai = The male-female relation/feeling begins from Copper Age".


In lowkik, people believe there had been vice between Brahma and Saraswati. Mostly Baba is clarifying this. That is, there had not been any vice between B and S. And, in Conf Age, Baba puts end to the male-female relation and converts it into brother=sister and parents- children. [More about this is mentioned in post No. 29.]

32) SM 1-5-81(3):- Sanyasiyon ko bhi vicar se paidaa hona padta hai. Phir Sanyasi bante hain. Phir anth mati so gati ho jati hai. Vah sanskaar ley jate hain. PHIR CHOTE_PAN MAY HI SANATAN DHARM MAY CHALE JATE HAIN. Jaise ladayivaalon kaa misaal Baba samjhate hain. Bahut shaastr padhey huye hain to anth mati so gati ho jati hai. Phir chote_pan may hi kanth kar lete hain. -2,

= Even the saints have to take birth through vice. Then they become saints. Then it becomes anth mati- so gathi(as the stage of the last instant, so would be the next birth). They take that sanskaar. THEN IN THE CHILDHOOD ITSELF, THEY COME INTO SANAATAN DHARM. Like Baba gives example of the war. [Baba says, those who fight and die will have that sanskaar and again take birth as soldiers]. They had read lots of scriptures. So, then it becomes anth mathi- so gathi. So, in small age itself they learn(by heart) the slokas of the scriptures.

Interestingly, here, baba has said sanaatan dharm/religion for the sanyaasi dharm. It is difficult to digest and explain. Now, there is no surprise if BKWSU corrects/replaces the word sanaatan as sanyaasi in the next revisions.

33) A similar point again:-

SM 30-7-81(1):- ShivBaba ne Brahma dwara sthaapanaa ki thi. Ab kar rahe hain. Yah hai pravruttimarg. RAJ VIDYA MAY BHI BARRISTER PADHATE HAIN TO MALE FEMALE DONON PADHTE HAIN. FEMALES BHI JUDGE BARRISTER AADI BANTI HAI. Yah bhi pravruttimarg hai. Sanyasiyon ka hai nivruttimarg. Vah alag hai, yah alag hai. Yah bhi Baba ne samjhaya hai Shankarachary agar na aataa to pavitrata ka ang na rahta. Bharat bilkul hi jal marta. Yah noondh hai Bharat to thamane liye. Bharat bahut pavitr thaa. Phir apavitr bana hai. Abhi Bharat kitna kangaal hai. KAHTE HAIN SONEY KI LANKA SAMUDR KE NEECHE CHALI GAYI. AB LANKA TO SONEY KI HO NAHIN SAKTI. Yah sab kahaaniyaan baith likhi hai. -142, 142-
[Shankar, WOT, LM, Expln Reqd, PMarg].


= ......Both female and males study in raaj-vidyaa (the study of Kings), to become barristers, etc. Even females become judge, barrister, etc. This is Pravrittimarg......

If we see here, Baba has used the word raaj-vidyaa = the study which Kings/princes do. But, this raaj-vidyaa does not mean the study of the Kings/princes. It refers to the present schools/Colleges.

Similarly, when Baba had said sanaatan dharm in the previous mu point, it refers to the second class pure religion, not the deity religion. [Baba says- deity religion and the sanyaasi religions are the two pure religions]. So, Baba is using the word sanaatan to refer the sanyaasi religion here.

34a) SM 6-5-2009(3):- Baap hi aakar atma abhimaani banate hain. Vahaan yah jaante hain atma ek bada sharir chod chota bachcha jaakar banegi. SARP KA BHI MISAAL HAI, YAH SARP, BHRAMARI AADI KE MISAAL SAB YAHAAN KE HAIN AUR IS SAMAY KE HAIN. Jo phir bhaktimarg may bhi kaam may aate hain. Vaastav may braahmaniyaan to tum ho jo vishtaa ke keedon ko bhoon2 kar manushy se devtaa bana deti ho. Baap may knowledge hai na.

= .....Father only comes and makes you soul conscious. There, deities would be knowing that soul will leave a big body and will become. (=take small body). The example of the snake, bhramari, etc are of here, and for this period, which then become useful in bhaktimarg. ....


34b) But, here-

SM 19-10-72(1 or 3):- Ab paarlowkik Baap kahte hain yah puraane sharir kaa bhaan chodo. Gyaan se, apney buddhi se is sharir may rahte bhaan chodnaa hai. Yah abhi samajhte hain jaise sarp khal chodtaa hai aur nayi letaa hai, TOH YAH BAATH ABHI SE NAHIN LAGTA. SATYUG SE LAGTI HAI. Toh tum bhi Satyug se lekar pahley khal chodnaa shuru karenge. – 169, 169- [Also see SM 18-10-77(above)]

= Now, the paarlowkik father says to sacrifice the feeling of the old body. Through the knowledge, while being in the body, you need to sacrifice the feeling of the old body. You now, understand that snake leaves the old skin and takes new one. THIS DOES NOT APPLY FROM NOW. IT BEGINS FROM GOLDEN AGE. So, from G Age, you begin to shed the old ones.

We can see here, once Baba says , this example is for this period, once Baba says, not for now. It begins only from Golden Age. Because we study it now, but practically it begins only from Golden Age.

35) Sometimes baba says, "The lowkik studies are for this/present birth only, but this study is for future births" . But, sometimes baba also says, "this study is for the present time only". Meaning is there is no need to study in next births again and again. The fruit of this comes for many births.

SM 1-3-89(1):- Ab oonch te oonch Baap tumko padhaa rahe hain. Ismey kitab aadi ki koyi zaroorat nahin hai. Yah kitaab aadi kuch bhi nahin chalni hai jo doosre janm may padh saken. YAH PADHAAYI IS JANM KE LIYE HEE HAI. Yah amar katha bhi hai. Nar se Narayan ban_ne ki shiksha bhi Baap dete hain nayi duniya ke liye. -83

= .......These books, etc will not come so that you will be able to study in future births. This study is for this birth only. .....

36) SM 15-5-81(2):- Baap hi aakar bharat ki kahani samjhate hain. BHARAT KI KAHANI MAANAA DUNIYA KI. Isko saty Narayan ki kahani kaha jata hai. Baap hi baith samjhate hain POOREY 5000 VARSH PAHLE bharat may LN ka raajy thaa. Jinhon ke chitr bhi hai. -24 [WOT, LM, MISTAKE]


= ……The story of Bharat means that of the whole world….. [See how baba speaks, wonderful, is it not?]


37)SM 8-7-71(1) or SM 8-7- 81(1):- Itni choti si atma 84 janmon ki chakr lagaati rahti hai. Jaise Rocket chodte hain to 4 maas tak firte rahte hain. Ab vah hai science ki baath. Is baath kaa kisko pata bhi nahin hain ki atma humaari choti hai. 84 janmon ka chakr lagati hai. Harek atma may 84 janmon ka part noondhaa huva hai. Yah kudrat hai jo avinashi part chalta rahta hai.


= Such a small soul keeps on rounding the cycle of 84 births. When rocket is put on(propelled), it will keep on revolving for 4 months. Now that is science. Nobody knows that our soul is small. (It) revolves in 84 births. IN EVERY SOUL PART OF 84 BIRTHS IS RECORDED. This is khudrat(wonder) that the eternal part keeps on going. [Is there part of 84 births in every soul?]

38) SM 15-3-78(1):- Yah to samjhaa hai ki atma paramdham se aati hai. PAHLE2 GARBHJAIL may jaanaa padta hai.

= It is explained that soul comes from Paramdham. First it has to enter into womb jail. [How can first be jail?]


39) SM 21-7-81(1):- Jab nirakari aatmaayein bhi sharir may jati hain toh garbh may aati hain. Phir punarjanm leti hain. BAAP SAMJHAATE HAIN TUMNEY 84 JANM GARBH SE LIYE HAIN. Ek sharir chod phir garbh may jate ho. AISE 84 JANM LIYE. Main toh garbh may nahin aataa hun. -127


=When incorporeal souls enter body, they enter the womb. Then they take rebirth. Father explains, you have taken 84 births through womb. You leave one body and then enter womb. In this way you have taken 84 births. I do not come into womb. [How come 84 births through womb? Should be 83, is it not? Yes, Baba many times speaks approximately].

40) Some are put in post No.s 42 to 45.
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41)More Gyan dances of ShivBaba:-

41a)SM 29-11-76(3):- SHIV JAYANTI MAANAA HEE SWARG KI JAYANTI. Ravan jayanti maana narak ki jayanti. -43- [Jayanti, LM]

= .....Shiv Jayanti means birth of heaven!....

But,
41b)SM 1-10-81(1):- ShivJayanti se swarg ka prince SriKrishn kaise banaa vah hai samajhne ki baath. SHIVJAYANTI PHIR GITA JAYANTI PHIR PHAT SE KRISHN JAYANTI. Kyonki Baap Rajyog sikhlate hain na. -49

= ....(First is Shiv Jayanti),then Gita Jayanti, then immediately Krishna Jayanti. ......


42)SM 21-12-70(2):- Dikhaayaa hai ki Ram se Bandar sena lee. AB BHAGAVAAN RAAMCHANDR Treta kaa. Usmay phir Bandar kahaan se aaye.

= It is shown as Ram took army of monkeys. Now, GOD RAMCHANDR OF SILVER AGE. How come monkeys there?


43) SM 11-9-77(2):- Yah mahin baatein shaastron may thode hee hai. VYAAS BHAGAVAAN NE KYAA2 BAITH LIKHAA HAI. Bhaktimarg ke liye jhootey shaastr baith banaye hain. -15 [WOT, LM]

= These deep matters are not in scriptures. WHAT ALL GOD VYAAS WROTE! For bhaktimarg, false scriptures are prepared.


44) SM 9-1-73(3):- Yah jhaad bahut achchi cheez hai. Parantu koyi ko samjhaavenge to kahenge yah sabhi daadaa ki kalpanaa hai. Bas, aise kah bath ko khatm kar dete hain. Anek prakaar ke log Baba ke paas aate hain. Jo sikiladhe bachche honge, un_hon ki buddhi may baithegaa ki yah to baath theek karte hain. GITA KE BHAGAVAAN KO GALIYAAN BAITH DETE HAIN KI GOPIYON KO BHAGAAYAA. Ab vah bhagaane ki to baath hi nahin. Phir kahte hain Droupadi ko 5 pati they. Vaastav may Droupadi to tum sabhi ho. Kisko 5 pati thode hi hote hain. Purush ko 4-5 stree hote hain. Yah gande rasam rivaaz shaastron se nikley hain. Juvaa ki baath bhi shaastron may hai ki Droupadi ko haraayaa. Phir aise bahut juvaaron hote hain jo kahte hain hum jeetenge to tumhaari stree humaare paas, aur tum jeetenge to humaari stree tumhaare paas. Shaastron se bahut glaani nikli hai. Yahaan to shastron ki baath hee nahin. Baap aakar Rajyog sikhlate hain. -152-

= ...... They defame God of Gita as he made Gopis to run away. ....


If we see in the above murli points (42 to 45), Baba uses word "God "for Silver Aged ram, For Sage Vyaas, and then God of Gita for deity Krishna. But, it is said as a joke or in the view of lowkik people. It does not mean Shivbaba has certified them as God.


46) SM 30-06-09(4):- Ek kahaani hai- DO BILLI LADEY, MAAKHAN KRISHN KHAA GAYAA. Saare vishw ki baadashaahi roopi maakhan tumko milta hai. To ab gaflat nahin karni hai.


= There is a story that, two cats fought, and Krishna got the butter. ….

Where in the story it is said- krishna got butter? In the story, it is said monkey got the butter. But, here, baba replaces that word by krishna for the children's intellect to dance by thinking of Krishna.



47a) SM 15-3-79(3):- Ram Raajy hota hi Satyug may. Gandhi phir Ramrajy kaise kar sake. Vah koyi kahte they kyaa ki aisaa atmaabhimaani bano. Baap hi sangam par kahte hain. Yah hai uttam se uttam purush ban_ne kaa yug. VAH PHIR SAMAJHTE HAIN GANDHI NE RAAMRAAJY STHAAPAN KIYAA. UNSEY BACHCHAA NEHRU NIKLAA. Ab Vishnu ki naabhi se Brahma kaise niklaa yah bhi samajhte thode hi hai. Yah to aur hi ravan rajy ko pukkaa karke gaye.Kitna patit ban gaye hain. Khoob aag lagaate, paththar thokte rahte. Characters bade kharaab hain. -13-
[WOT, Ram- imp]


=….. THEY BELIEVE GANDHI ESTABLISHED KINGDOM OF RAM, AND CHILD NEHRU CAME OUT FROM IT. ….

47b)SM 12-3-77(2):- Maya ka paamp fall of Ravan raajy. Science kaaran maayaavi bhabhkaa. SAMJAHTE HAIN GANDHI NE SWARG BANAAYAA. Ab swarg ka gyaan milaa hai. -1- [wot]

= Pomp of Maya, fall of Kingdom of ravan. Due to science there is show of Maya. THEY BELIEVE GANDHI ESTABLISHED HEAVEN. You are now receiving knowledge of heave.


Do lowkik people really believe gandhiji established Kingdom of ram? No. But, Baba says that people believe that we had achieved something great by defeating British people and have got our own Kingdom as if that is the final goal. But, baba says it is still nothing when compared to ram raajy (Kingdom of ram).

47c)SM 6-5-2009(3):- Ravan raajy koyi lanka may nahin hai. Yah saari dharni jo hai, usmey is samay Ravan raajy hai. RAM RAAJY SIRF SATYUG MAY HI HOTA HAI. Bhaktimarg may manushy kitna moonjh gaye hain.

= ....Kingdom of Ram would be there just in Golden Age......

47d)SM 5-5-2009(3):- Yah bada bhari behad ka khel hai. Ismey pahle hai SATYUG- TRETA RAM RAJY. Phir hota hai Ravan raajy.

= .....This is very large unlimited game. In this first is Kingdom of Ram, Golden and Silver Age. Then it is Kingdom of Ravan.



48) SM 15-2-76(2):- BULAATE BHI HAIN HEY PATITPAVAN, GAREEB NIVAAZ BABA, AAVO. HUM GAREEBON KO SWARG KE MAALIK PHIR SE BANAAVO. Swarg may sukh ghanerey thay. Ab toh dukh ghanerey hain. Bachche jaantey hee hain dash_harey may ravan ko jalate hain.


= They pray/call, "Hey Purifier, come, ...Make us masters of heaven"... The underlined words are added by Baba to motivate children.

49)SM 28-2-82(2):- Ab baap kahte hain 5 vikaaron ko daan may de do. 5 vikaar denaa bhi manushyon ke liye museebut hai. KAHTE HAIN VISH BIGAR SRUSHTI KAISE CHALEGI? Vish ke liye ablaavon ko bahut maarte hain. To unhon kaa paap kaa ghadaa bhartaa hai. Phir pad bhrashth ho jaataa hai. baap se varsaa le na sake. -64- [baandheli, wot, sp]


= …To sacrifice 5 vices is also a great difficult for lowkik people. THEY SAY, “HOW CAN WORLD PROCEED WITHOUT POISON”…..

Lowkik people do not say poison for vices/lust. It is Baba who used that word.

50)SM 10-3-82(1):- Om Shanti. Niraakaar Shiv Bhagavaanuvaach. JAB MANUSHY GITA SUNAATE HAIN TO HUMEHSAA KAHTE HAIN SAAKAAR KRISHN BHAGAVAANUVAACH. -76-

= Om Shanti. Words of Incorporeal God Shiv. When people speak/preach Gita, always say- "words of CORPOREAL GOD Krishna."

Lowkik people just say Krishn Bhagavanuvaach (words of God krishna). The word Corporeal is added here by Shivbaba to make it more clear.


51)SM 10-3-82(1):- Hum atma hain bilkul chotaa star. Poojaa ke liye badaa roop banaayaa hai. BAAKI ITNI BADI AATMAA TO YAHAAN BHRUKUTI MAY BAITH NA SAKE. Kahte hain bhrukuti ke beech may chamaktaa hai ek ajab sitaaraa. Star muvafik. Phir bhi chote bade ling banaate hain. STAR KITNAA CHOTAA HAI. Yah banaa banaayaa avinaashi drama hai. -77 [WOT, Atma-bindi, Shivbaba] vimp [WOT- Is atma itni badi or star so smalll in reality?]


= We souls are very small stars. To worship, big form(ling) is done. HOW CAN SUCH A BIG [b]SOUL SIT IN FOREHEAD? [/b]They say shining star on forehead. .....

Baba says "big soul". Can a soul be big? No. But, Baba has meant soul here for the ling.


52)SM 11-4-79(1):- Gyan ka sagar hai hi ek Baap. Vah tum bachchon ko gyan dete hain. TOH TUMKO BHI GYAAN SAGAR KAHENGE NUMBERWAAR PURUSHAARTH ANUSAAR. SAGAR KAHEN YAA NADI KAHEN. Vah bhi gyan sagar Paramatma hain. Yah atma bhi un dwara master gyan sagar banti hai. GANGAYEIN BHI NAHIN KAHA JAAYE. Is_se bhi moonjh hoti hai. MASTER GYAN SAGAR KAHNA THEEK HAI. Tum sab bachche ho. Baap bachchon ko padhaate hain. Female ki baath hi nahin. Master gyan sagar kahenge atma ke roop may. Varsa bhi tum sab aatmaayein leti ho. Isliye ab Baap kahte hain bachche- atma abhimaani bano. Apne ko atma samjho. JAISE MAIN PARAMATMA GYAAN SAAGAR VAISE TUM BHI GYAAN SAGAR. Unko Parampita kaha jata hai. Unko duty sabse oonchi hai. Raja rani kiduty sabse oonch hoti hai. Tumhaari bhi oonch duty rakhi gayi hai. -35- [IMP]

= Ocean of K is one father.he gives K to you children. So, you also can be called as Ocean of K number-wise. say Ocean or river. HE is Ocean of K, Supreme Soul. The soul also becomes master Ocean of K through HIM. (Actually) better do not say GANGES/GANGA. There could be confusion even in this. To say Master Ocean of K is right.

Many times baba uses word gyaan ganga, but then also says the right word is master ocean of K. Both are said, else how can the essence of bhakti words be understood, is it not? For children who have understood the knowledge, any word is Ok. But, for new comers, baba may be saying, better first use the right word to avoid confusion.


52)SM 24-2-89(2):- DEVATAAVON SE OONCH KOYI HAI NAHIN. Isliye vahaan Guru karne ki darkaar nahin. -78

= There is nobody who is greater than deities. Hence there is no need of guru. [But, sometimes Baba also says- braahmins are higher than deities].

53) SM 16-10-82(2):- Tum jaante ho Bruhaspathi ko Vrukshapathy day bhi kahaa jaataa hai. VRUKSHAPATHY SOMNAATH BHI THAHRAA, SHIV BHI THAHRAA. Bachchon ko bahut karke guruvaar ke din school may bithaate hain. Guru bhi karte hain. Aaj Somnath ka din hai. TUMKO SOMNATH PADHAATE HAIN. Rudr bhi somnath ko kahte hain. -19 [Shivbaba, WOT, sp]


=It is also said day of Vrukshapathy (Lord of tree). VRUKSHAPATHY IS SOMNATH AS WELL AS SHIV. Usually children are made to sit/attend (spiritual gathering) in school on Thursdays. Even Guru is also appointed for this. Today it is day of Somnath. SOMNATH TEACHES YOU. Rudr is also said for Somnath.

[There is margin to argue here- that Somnath and Shiv are different. But, in fact, both are one and the same. Because it is clearly said SOMNATH TEACHES YOU.] It is dance of Shivbaba and like parents talking with their sweet children/kids. So, sometimes baba may be speaking in that tone.

54)SM 19-10-72(3 or 5):- Ravan ne besamajh bana diyaa hai. Tum bhi bunder thay na. Tumhee bunder se mandir laayak bante ho. Pahley tum Vishnu ko poojneyvaale thay. UNKO MANDIR SE UTAAR KHUD VISHNU BAN JAATE HAIN. Tum devtaa banenge to LN ke mandir thode hee rahenge. -170

= ….. You only become worship worthy from monkeys. Initially you used to worship Vishnu. NOW, YOU REMOVE VISHNU FROM MANDIR AND BECOME VISHNU. When you become deities, there will be no temples.

Are we going to remove Vishnu from temples?! No. But, see how baba dances and motivates we children.


55)SM 13-4-79(2):- Tum kitna bhi samjhaavo, parantu unhon ko samajhna bada mushkil hai. Phir bhi saadhaaran garib hi samajhte hain. Yahaan koyi lakhpati hai kyaa? Aajkal laakh to badi baat nahin. Ek laakh hoga usko bhi lakhpati kahenge. Lakhpati to dher hain. UNKO BABA SAADHAARAN KAHTE HAIN. Aajkal to karodpati ki baat hai. 40-50 karod hai to shaadiyon par bhi kitna kharch karte hain. – 37- [rath, wot]


56)SM 9-11-82(1):- Sukh ko to sanyaasi maante nahin, nindaa karte hain. KYONKI SHAASTRON MAY DIKHAAYAA HAI SATYUG TRETAA MAY BHI KANS, JARASANDHI AADI THAY. Lakhsmi Narayan ko bhool gaye hain. -89 [WOT, LM]

= Sanyaasis do not believe in happiness. They defame happiness. BECAUSE IN SCRIPTURES, it is shown that KANS AND JARAASANDH (WICKED KINGS) HAD BEEN IN SATYUG AND TRETA YUG. They have forgotten LN.

Actually, in scriptures Kans, Jarasandh are shown in Copper Age, not in Golden Age. But, Baba says so, because they are shown in the period of Krishna.
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57) The concept of "AKHAND MAHA JYOTHI (INFINITE INDIVISIBLE LIGHT)" in the beginning:-

57)SM 21-11-82(2):- Jab kahte hain naam roop se nyaaraa hai phir hazaaron sooryon se teekhaaa kyon kahnaa chaahiye? Pahley to tum bhi aisey samajhte thay. Baap kahte hain drama may yah samjhaani deri se milti thi. SOOKHSM TE SOOKSHM GUHY BAATEIN SAMAJHKAR SAMJHAAYI JAATI HAI. AISEY NAHIN KHYAAL KARNAA CHAHIYE KI PAHLEY HAZAARON SOORYON SE TEJOMAY KAHTHEY THAY. AB PHIR BINDU KYON KAHTE HAIN? JAB I.C.S PADHENGE TAB I.C.S KI BAATEIN KARENGE. PAHLEY KAISE KARENGE? Ismey moonjhney ki darkaar nahin hai. Drama may jab baba ko samjhaanaa hai tab samjhaate hain. Inkey baad bhi abhi kyaa2 samjhaayenge? KYONKI BAAP KA BHI PRABHAAV TO NIKALNAA HAI. Jaise tumaahi atma hai, vaise vah bhi atma hai. -73- [dual, extraordinary, WOT, guhy, inf, atom bomb]

= When people say God has no name and form,how can it be said that God is more powerful than thousands of Suns? Initially even you had thought so. FATHER SAYS, IN DRAMA, THESE TEACHINGS COME (only) LATER. Deep and subtle matters are understood and explained. THOUGHTS/DOUBTS SHOULD NOT COME LIKE- WHY INITIALLY IT WAS SAID POWERFUL THAN THOUSANDS OF SUNS AND NOW IT IS BEING TOLD AS POINT?" WHEN ICS IS BEING STUDIED, SUBJECTS OF ICS WOULD BE DISCUSSED. HOW CAN THEY BE DISCUSSED EARLIER? There is no need to get confused in these. When father has to teach in drama, he will teach. What would be taught even after now? Because even influence of FATHER has to be take place, is it not?


57b) 2)SM 27-1-78(2):- Manushyon ki buddhi may toh vahee Gita ka gyan hai. AAGE HUMAARI BUDHHI MAY BHI VAHEE PURAANAA GITA KA GYAAN THAA. VAHEE GITA OM MANDALI MAY SUNAATE THAY. Parantu abhi guhy baatein suntey2 saare raaz ko samajh gaye hain. MANUSHY BHI KAHTE HAIN AAGE AAPKAA GYAAN AUR THAA. AB TO BAHUT ACHCHAA HAI. Ab samajh gaye hain ki kaise gruhasth vyavahaar may rahte kamal phool ban_naa hai. -35- [babies, rath, gita, corrections, gyaan, predictions, sp]

= People have in their intellect the old gita only. Earlier, even we too had the same old gita. We used to listen/speak the same gita in Om Mandli. But now, listening to deep points, we have understood the essence. People also say- before your knowledge was something different. Now it is good. ….


[Note that Baba has clearly said- Post No. 37 - "Old points will not come into use"]


58)SM 1-9-82(3):- Ismey hain saari buddhi ki baath. Koyi toh vishaal buddhi jhat samajh jaate hain. Atma to hai hi star misal. Bhrukuti ke beech may badi cheez to thahar bhi na sake. Zaroor aisi cheez hai jo in aankhon se dekhney dekhney may nahin aati. Badi cheez ho to jhat dikhaayi de. Atma to ati sookshm hai bindi misal. Yah hain guhy te guhy baatein. SHURU MAY AKHAND JYOTI TATW KAHTHAY THAY. SHURU MAY STAR KAHEN TO SAMAJH NA SAKO. SAARI KNOWLEDGE EK HI DIN MAY THODE HEE DENGE. Din pratidin guhy baatein baap sunaate rahthay hain. Gyaan saagar se athaah dhan milta hai. Jahaan jeenaa hai tahaan gyaan amrut peete rahnaa hai. -2 [wot, dual, gyaan, atma]


= ....Soul is very small like point. These are deeper than the deep points. In the beginning. it was said/taught as Infinite/Indivisible Light element. Whole knowledge cannot be said in one day. Everyday, father teaches you deep matters. ....

59)SM 9-3-78(1):- Jo piyaa ke saath hai unke liye gyaan ka barsaath hai. PIYAA ZAROOR KOYI MANUSHY HAI, BAAP HAI NA. Vah varshaa to paani ke saagar se nikalti hai. -52 [WOT]

= Those who with Piya (father), for them it is rain of knowledge. PIYA IS DEFINITELY SOME HUMAN BEING. FATHER, IS IT NOT? That rain comes from ocean of water.

Baba says Piya here for a human being. Because I believe Baba wishes to highlight his entrance/incarnation. Else, how can knowledge be given?

60)SM 2-4-78(3):- Bhagavaan bharat ke peechey deevaanaa banaa hai ki HUM BHARAT KO HERE JAISAA BANAAVOONGAA. TOH AASHIK HUVAA NA BHARAT PAR. Bharat ko phir se oonch banaate hain. Aashuk maashuk pichaadi deevaanaa hota hai na. Toh Bharatvaashiyon peechey kitnaa deevaanaa hai. Kitnaa dur se bhaagte hain aur phir kitnaa nirahankaari hain. -80- [bharat, GM, wot]


= ..... [Waah Baba, how lovely you are].


61) SM 11-7-82(1):- Meethay bachche- atma abhimaani bano, atma nishchay kar atma ka parichay do- USKEY BAAD BAAP PARMATAMA KA GYAAN SUNAAVO. -102 [wot]

= Sweet children, become soul conscious. Being in soul conscious, give introduction of soul. AFTER THAT GIVE KNOWLEDGE OF GOD FATHER.

[Interesting. Usually Baba says, First give introduction of father. But, sometimes Baba says, first give knowledge of soul, then father..

62)SM 17-3-77(1):- NARAK KO DHAAM NAHIN KAHENGE. Dhaam akshar shuddh, pavitr ko kahenge. -5 [wot]

= Hell cannot be called as DHAM. The word DHAM (land) is used for clean and pure.

Many times Baba uses the word DHAM for hell as Dukh_Dham (land of sorrow). But, actually Baba clarifies this here.

Similarly, I feel, the word Andha_Shraddha (Blind faith) is also not perfect usage. Because the word shraddha (faith) is a pure word. But to convey message to others effectively, such words prove highly useful. Hence sometimes if we do not take mulri points fully, some children may get caught in confusion or silly arguments.

63)SM 18-3-77(1):-LN ka raajy thaa. Bharatvasi kuch bhi nahin samjhate. Kah dete ki satyug may raajy karte thay. Sri Krishn ko sabhi pyaar karte hain. Achchaa bhal Sri Krishn ko hee pyaar kyon karte ho? Radhe ko kyon nahin pyaar karte ho? LN chotepan may kyaa thay yah bhi koyi nahin jaantei. MANUSHY SAMAJHTE HAI DWAAPAR MAY DONON KI SHAADI HUYI. MAYA RAVAN NE BILKUL HEE TUCHBUDDHI BANAA DIYAA HAI. -6- [RK, WOT]

= There was Kingdom of LN. Indians do not know anything. They say in Golden Age, they used to rule. All love Sri krishna. Good, why they love only SriKrishna? Why do they not love Radha? What LN had been during their childhood, no one knows. PEOPLE BELIEVE MARRIAGE BETWEEN THEM OCCURRED IN COPPER AGE. Maya Ravan made their intellect fully degraded.

In scriptures it is not said marriage happened between R and K. But, Baba says so. Because in the scriptures, such a close relation between R and K is shown. Hence Baba might have used the word MARRIAGE here.

64)SM 4-5-77(1):- Brahma hai shivbaba ka bachchaa. Aise nahin ki Vishnu ki nabhi se niklaa. AGAR NAABHI KAHEN TOH SHIVBABA KI NAABHI KAMAL SE NIKLAA. TUM BHI SAB SHIVBABA KI NAABHI SE NIKLATE HO. Baaki chitr to sab wrong hai. Ek shivbaba hee righteous hai. -12- [wot, inf]


= Brahma is child of Shivbaba. Not that he came out of nabhi/vanel of Vishnu. If we wish to say NAVEL, then he came out through NAVEL of Shivbaba. Even you all have come out (got created) through NAVEL of Shivbaba. Rest all the pictures are wrong. Right is one Shivbaba.

Sometimes Baba says, Brahma came out navel of Vishnu after 84 births, to explain the significance of the lowkik yaadgaar. But, then baba clarifies just by Vishnu, Brahma cannot emerge. I also have to incarnate in him to make him Brahma.

64) SM 6-3-81(3):- Tum braahmanon ki naabhi kamal se Vishnupuri prakat ho rahi hai. -23 [LM]

= From the lotus navel of you braahmins, VishnuPuri emerges.

65) SM 2-9-82(1):- Tum bachche aante ho yah rudr gyaan yagy hai, koyi manushy kaa nahin. PRAJAPITA BRAHMA NE YAH YAGY NAHIN RACHAA HAI. YAH RUDR YAGY HAI. GYAAN SAGAR ATHVAA SHIV NE YAH YAGY RACHAA HAI. Yagy to anek prakaar ke rachte hain na. Jisey Daksh Prajapati kahte hain. Ab Daksh Prajapati toh hai nahin. Brahma hai Prajapita. Daksh Prajapati naam kahaan se aayaa? Baap baith samjhaate hain yah wrong banaayaa huvaa hai. Shaastron may toh lambi chowdi kathaayein likh di hai. Ab baap kahte hain jhoothi kathaayein jo bhi sunte aaye ho sab bhoolo. Main jo tumko sunaataa hun, vah suno. PRAJAPITA TO EK KEE HOGA NA, JO YAH YAGY RACHTE HAIN. Vah sab hain material yagy. Yah hai ruhaani Baap ka ruhaani yagy. -2- [dual, WOT, Prajapita, creator]

= .....Prajapita Brahma has not established this yagya. This is rudr yagy. Ocean of K or Shiv established this yagya. ......Prajapita Brahma would be only one who establishes this yagya, is it not? .....

Once Baba says PPB does not establish the yagya, once says he establishes. Sometimes Baba highlights HIMSELF, sometimes the chariot. Due to the total dependency of each one on the other, if we use just isolated murli points, there can be confusion and doubts.

66) SM 4-11-82(1):- manushy bhal kahte hain Brahma ka din aur Brham ki raath. Parantu arth thode hee samajhte hain. Braahmanon ki raath kahenge. BRAAHMANON KAA DIN THODE HEE KAHENGE. DIN MAY TOH TUM DEVTAA BAN JAATE HO. Hisaab karnaa hota hai na. -72 [LM]

= People say day of Brahma and night of Brahma. But, they do not understand the meaning. It can be said as "night of braahmins"". It cannot be said as day of braahmins. During day, you would be deities. ....

Strictly speaking it is not right to say day of Brahma/braahmins. But, since in lowkik there is such saying, and it is braahmins/Brahma who have knowledge, this saying is used.


67) SM 8-5-85(2):- Baap ne pravesh kiyaa aur isney gaali khaanaa shuru kar dee. ShivBaba ko toh jaante nahin. Na unko gali de saktey hain. Gaali yah khaate hain. KRISHN NE BHI KAHAA NA MAINE MAAKHAN NAHIN KHAAYO. Yah bhi kahte hain kaam toh sab kuch Baba kaa hai, main kuch nahin kartaa hun. Jaadoogaar vah hai. -49 [WOT]


= Father entered and this one had to eat criticisms. People neither know Shivbaba nor can criticize HIM. This one eats gaali (criticisms). EVEN KRISHNA TOLD- I DID NOT EAT BUTTER, IS IT NOT? EVEN THIS ONE SAYS, ALL THE WORK IS OF BABA. I DO NOTDO ANYTHING. HE IS MAGICIAN.

68) SM 9-4-83(1):- Srimath may bhagavadgita hai na. Gita hai shaastr kaa naam. JAISE CHRIST KA BIBLE, SRIMATH CHRIST KA BIBLE. Toh Baap samjhaate hai bhagavaan ki hai srimath. Ab srimath jab kahaa jataa hai, toh zaroor samajhna chaahiye yah toh oonch bhagavaan ki hee math hai. Srimath brahma ki va Vishnu ki nahin kahte. SRIMATH BHAGAVAAN AAKAR BRAHMA TANN SE KAISE DETE HAIN, YAH MANUSHY NAHIN JAANTE. VAH SAMAJHTE NAHIN BRAHMA PHIR NEECHE KAISE AATAA HAI. VAH TOH HAI SOOKSHMVATANVAASI. TOH IN BAATON KO NA JAN_NE KAARAN KRISHN KA NAAM DE DIYAA HAI. AISE BHI NAHIN HO SAKTAA KRISHN KA KOYI SAADHAARAN ROOP HAI JISMAY PARMATMA PRAVESH KARTE HAIN. Yah baatein koyi nahin jaante. -135- [Prajapita, srimath, gita, WOT]


Baba uses the word srimath here for even words of Christ (just to make children understand the significance of Gita), but in fact, srimath can be used only for HIS words only.

69) SM 07-04-12(3):- Koton may mukhy 8 sampoorn bante hain. Uskey baad 108 ki maalaa, 16108 ki maalaa banti hai. Baba bachchon ko teevr purushaarth ke liye aisey samjhaate hain. VAASTAV MAY 16108 KI MAALAA HAI HEE NAHIN. Sirf 108 ki maalaa hai. [translated from kannada murli book] – [mala, WOT, CP]

= Of the crores, just 8 pass. Then mala of 108, then 16108. Father says so to make children put fast effort. Actually, there is no mala of 16108. Just (up to) the 108.

Mostly 16108 mala is not worshiped or chanted much. Hence not fit to be called as mala.

70)SM 4-5-79(3):- Tum jaante ho humko ShivBaba padhaate hain. Yah(Brahma) to kuch bhi nahin jaante they. INKO KAHENGE SRUSHTI MAY SABSE LAST BACHCHAA. JO GGGF THAA VAH IS SAMAY YAH BAN GAYE HAIN. Phir maalik bante hain. Tatwam. Ek to maalik nahin banenge na. Tum bhi purushaarth karte ho. -62

= You know Shivbaba teaches us. This (Brahma) was not knowing anything. This is the last child in the creation/world. The one who had been GGGF (Great2 Grand father) has become this at present. Then he will become master.

71)SM 16-9-72(3):- Koyi gyaan to bahut achchaa sunaate hain. Yog kuch bhi nahin. AISE NAHIN YOG BIGAR GYAAN KI DHAARNAA NAHIN HO SAKTI HAI. DHAARNAA TO HO JATI HAI. SAMJHO KISKO HISTORY, GEOGRAPHY SUNAATE HAIN VAH TO JHAT BUDDHI MAY BAITH JAAVEGAA. BABA KI YAAD KAA KUCH BHI BUDDHI MAY NA HOGAA. Maans madiraa bhi khaate honge. Yah to ek kahaani hai. Vah yaad padnaa to bahut sahaj hai. History geography buddhi may aa jaati hai. Yaad ki baath hee nahin, pavitrataa ki bhi nahin. Aise bhi bahut hain. -163 [gyaan, dual, warning to BKs]

= Some give knowledge very nicely. But, no yog at all. IT IS NOT THAT WITHOUT YOG/YAAD, KNOWLEDGE CANNOT BE IMBIBED. for example, IF history, GEOGRAPHY ARE explained to someone, that will immediately sit in intellect. But, nothing about yaad/remembrance will sit in intellect. They will be eating non veg, alcohol, etc. ...History geography will sit in intellect. Not about remembrance, not about purity. There are many like this.

Usually Baba says, without yog/yaad, inculcation of knowledge cannot happen. But, here Baba says, the knowledge of history and geography will sit even if there is yog. So, sometimes when Baba says, knowledge it refers to just history and geography, sometimes it refers to the essence of the KNOWLEDGE IS Which is the highest SOURCE OF INCOME.


72)Also see mu points No. 32 and 33 in Post No. 199.
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Murli Pt:- Gambheerataa se full marks jamaa hota hai. Mamma toh gambheerataa kee devi thi. = The virtue seriousness gives full marks. Mamma was a deity of seriousness.


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# Post No. 197)Bharat/India foundation to all:-

1)Murli 8-8-15 says : " विलायत वाले भी सर्वव्यापी कहना भारतवासियों से सीखे हैं। भारत गिरा है, तो सब गिरे हैं। भारत ही रेसपान्सिबुल है अपने को गिराने और सबको गिराने।"

= Even the foreigners have learnt the saying OMNIPRESENCE from Indians. Since India has degraded, all have degraded. India only is responsible for the fall of itself as well as others*.

As per my knowledge, except in Hindu scriptures, no other scripture says God is omnipresent. In one of my meetings, surprisingly, one of my Christian friends spoke- "God is omnipresent, is it not?" I asked- where is it written in Bible. He was not able to reply. Then I said, you have copied from Hindu scriptures or following what they say.


2)Mu Point:- fashion bhee yahaan se nikliee hai. Dikhaathay hain na Krishn ne raas leelaa rachee

= The cause for fashion is also from here. It is shown that krishn performed raas leela (dance with gopis).


3) Mu Point (not in exact words):- Bhaaratvaasi hee Sri kaa title apney oopar rakhthay hain jo devtaavon kaa hai. Vahaan toh sifr mister yaa mistress kahenge. Karke Lord bhee kahthay hain

= Indians only have put the title "Sri" on themselves which actually belongs to only deities. Foreign countries use just Mr or Mrs. (for some top most people), they use Lord. [But, in India, for everyone's name "Sri" is prefixed.


4) Nowadays, we can see even Christians using the word "ParamPoojy" for their Bishops or priests. I have seen this in India recently. It is copied from the Hindu tradition of saying every Swamiji/Guru as "PARAM_POOJY" [means SUPREME WORSHIP WORTHY. This title can be none for God, but Indians use this on human beings]

5)Mu Point:- Manushyon ko Bhagavan kahne se hee Bharat giraa hai = Considering human as God is the cause for downfall of India.

6) SM 13-01-2017:- अपने बड़ों को गाली देना - यह भारत में ही होता है। यदा-यदाहि धर्मस्य.. यहाँ की बात है। बाप बैठ समझाते हैं, कि माया ने बिल्कुल ही कपूत बना दिया है। कपूत भ्रष्टाचारी को कहा जाता है।

= It is only in Bharat that they insult their elders. ‘Whenever there is extreme irreligiousness’.. refers to this time. The Father sits and explains: Maya has made you completely unworthy. Those who are degraded are said to be unworthy.

Indians insult deities as well as God, a lot. In the scriptures. we can see ugly stories written even about deities and God.


7)
Something more on this is put in post No. 51 - viewtopic.php?f=25&t=1167&p=6597&hilit=%27degradation#p6597

and regarding effect of omnipresence- sub topic No. 24- viewtopic.php?f=25&t=1172&start=30

8) But ultimately/actually, vices only are the cause for downfall. For example, in the beginning, in yagya, there was a concept* of "I am God, you are God and everyone is God. " which did no harm, because there was concept of purity as well as a vision of pure world (heaven as pure without vices). The main point is- if God is defamed, the rate of degradation as well as the conflicts between the religions, castes, sects also increase.

* - But, also note that this concept was only for a short period and was used by God himself as a temporary measure like moving from KNOWN to UNKNOWN.

9)But, Baba has also said "Bharat jaisaa puny/pavitr bhoomi aur koyi naheen hai"

= No land is as puny/holy as India.


10) Also a mu Point:- "Ab bhee agar koyi saatwikataa hai to isee dharm may hai na"

= Even if some saatwikataa (similar to purity) is left, it is in this religion only, is it not?

11)Another one "Pavitrataa kaa mahatw Bharat may hee hai "

= Purity has value (is respected maximum) in Bharat only.


12) These are just for more understanding. For effort, not necessary. So- do not take so seriously. For self study/progress, even Gita is not important:-

SM 10-9-83(3):- Ismay shaastr aadi padhne ki koyi darkaar nahin. Kumaariyon ke liye toh bahut sahaj hai. Kyonki seedhi nahin chadhi hai. Chotepan may padhnaa achchaa hota hai. Kyonki buddhi achchee hoti hai. KOYI KI YAAD NAHIN RAHTI HAI JAB TAK SHAADI KAREY AUR BACHCHAA MILEY. TUM SAB KUMARIYAAN HO GAYI. Aur kuch karnaa nahin hai. Sirf padhaayi may lag jaaye aur bedaa paar hai. YAH TOH JO VISHAAL BUDHI NAHIN HAI- UNHON KE LIYE SACCHEE GITA JHOOTHEE GITA AADI KA CONTRAST BATAAYAA JAATAA HAI. Baaki yah sab ved shaastr aadi hai jhoothee duniyaa ke liye. Yah baatein behadh ke Baap hee samjhaate hain. -6- [PM, gita, WOT]


= There is no need to study scriptures here. It is very easy for kumaris. Because they have not climbed the (vicious) ladder. It is good/easy to study in childhood. Because intellect would be good. No one's remembrance will be there till marriage and child is born. YOU ALL ARE KUMARIS. There is no need to do anything. Just put yourself in the study and your boat will be saved. THE CONTRAST OF RIGHT GITA AND FALSE GITA - IS EXPLAINED FOR THOSE WHOSE INTELLECT IS NOT BROAD. And, all these veda, scriptures, etc are for the false world. ...

Even though frequently, Baba stresses about Gita in murli, Baba also says, it is not required for self study. But, the final victory is of Gita. So, from service point of view, or to make intellect broader, these are necessary and useful.

* - "Why God is believed to be omnipresent in bhakti"- is discussed in post No. 94a) - viewtopic.php?f=25&t=1167&p=12145&hilit=ganesh#p12145
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Murli Pt:- Gambheerataa se full marks jamaa hota hai. Mamma toh gambheerataa kee devi thi. = The virtue seriousness gives full marks. Mamma was a deity of seriousness.


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# Post No. 198) Murli Points on Ravan:- (this is not important, but just included to make the intellect complete).

1)07-11-72(3):- Swadarshan chakr se ravan ke sheesh kaat_te ho. Dushman bhee yah ravan hai. In par jeeth paanee hai. Vah foreigners hain. Humaaraa ramraajy thaa. Usmay ravanRaajy Foreigner raajy ho gayaa hai. Aadhaa kalp abhee hum ravan ke desh may hain.

= From the swadarshan disc, you cut head of Ravan. He is the enemy. You have to get victory over him. He is the foreigner. We had Kingdom of ram. It became Kingdom of ravan, the Kingdom of foreigner. We are in country of ravan for half a kalpa.

2) SM 25-08-72(3):- Bhaktimarg may bhakton ke shuddh bhaavanaa baap hee poori kar dete hain. Ashuddh bhaavnaa Ravan poori kartee hai.

= During bhaktimarg, father fulfills good wishes of the devotees. RAVAN FULFILS IMPURE EMOTIONS.

3) SM 17-12-72(1):- Aise nahin kahenge ki bhakti ka varsa ravan se mila. Vo toH hai hee bhakti utarti kala.

= It cannot be said as the property of bhakti is received from Ravan. That is is descending stage of bhakti.


4) SM 18-5-79(1):- Abhi tum bachchon ko Ishwariy math milti hai jisko RAM MATH kaha jaataa hai. Doosri phir hai ravan math. Ishariy math aur asuri math. Ishwariy math aadhaa kalp chalti hai. Agar manushy math kahe to Deh bhi to asuri math hai. Daivi math huyi Ishwariy math. Kyonki Baap Ishwariy math dekar tumko devtaa banaate hain. Vah hai Ram math, vah hai ravan math. … Ram mathvaale phir ravan math may aa jaate hain.


= Now, you children receive Ishwariy Math(directions of ishwar) which is called as Ram math (directions of ram). The other one is ravan math. Ishwariy Math and ravan math. Ishwariy Math runs for half a kalpa. If we say directions of humans, even the body is ASURI MATH. DEITY MATH IS ISHWARIY MATH. Because father makes you deity by giving ishwariy Math. One is ram math, the other is ravan math. Even those who follow Ram math (later) enter into ravan math.


5)SM 25-4-79(1):- Ram ka rajy behad ka to ravan ka raajy bhi behad ka kahenge. Time donon ka ek hi hai. Bhogi hone ke kaaran duniya ki vruddhi bahut jaasti hoti rahti hai. Aayu bhi kam ho jaati.


= THE KINGDOM OF RAM IS UNLIMITED, EVEN THE KINGDOM OF RAVAN IS ALSO UNLIMITED. Time of them are different. Due to becoming bhogi (in ravan rajy), the population increases. The life span decreases.


6)SM 9-6-79(3):- Tum bhi purusharth kate ho hum yah(LN) bane. Ram Sita ban_ne ke liye to ek bhi haath nahin uthaayenge. Kyonki samajhte hain ram to fail huvaa. Ram ki katha nahin kaha jata.


= You put effort to necome this (LN). No one lifts hand to become ram and Sita. Because you understand/believe that he is failed. IT IS NOT SAID(PRAISED AS) STORY OF RAM.


7)SM 1-4-72(3):- Is samay saari asuri kul ke ban gaye hain. Aise nahin Christian log aate hain vah Ravanrajy va asuri raajy may aate hain. Unka ravan se koyi sambandh hai nahin. Baap ne samjhaayaa hai unhon ko apne samay par sato, rajo, tamo may aanaa hai. Anth may aakar sabhi to tamopradhaan ban_naa hai. Baaki vah koyi devta dharm may nahin aate hain. Unke liye satyug, Treta, Dwapar, kaliyug,.. yah varn nahin hain. Yah varn hamare liye hain. Devtaayein pavan so phir patit manushy bante hain. Vah to na pavan bante hain na Ishwar dwara varsa paate hain.

= During this period, all have become asuri (devislish) kul. When Christians come, it cannot be said as Kingdom of Ravan for them. THEY HAVE NO RELATION WITH RAVAN. Father has explained they enter into sato, rajo, tamo at their own time. In the end, all will become fully degraded. They do not come in deity religion. The varnas , of Golden, Silver, Copper and Iron,.... this is not for them. These varnas are for us. Pure Deities then become impure humans. They neither become pure, nor receive property from Ishwar/God.

8) SM 21-10-70(1, 2):- Ravan ko 10 sir dikhate hain. Baap ne samjhaya hai 5 vikar stri ke 5 vikar purush ke hain. Gadeh misal ban pade hain. Bhaar dhote2 thak gaye hain. Isliye ab pukarte hain.

= Ravan is shown with 10 heads. Father has explained 5 heads are of male and 5 of female. (People) have become like donkeys. They have become tired by (sorry I do not know right words). Hence they call.


9) SM 26-1-78(2):- Jis ravan ko bharatvasi varsh2 jalate hee aate hain unko jante koyi nahin. KYONKI YAH NA JISMANI HAI NA RUHANI. VIKARON KA TO KOYI ROOP HI NAHIN HAIN. Manushy act may aata hai tab pata padta hai ki inmay kaam yaa krodh ka bhoot aayaa hai. Is vikar ki stages may bhi uttam, madhy, kanisht hote hain. Koyi may to kaam ka nasha ekdam tamopradhan ho jata hai. Koyi ko rajo nasha koyi ko sato nasha rahta hai.


= The Bharatavaasis (Indians) do not know the Ravan whom burn every year. BECAUSE HE IS NEITHER PHYSICAL, NOR SPIRITUAL. There is no form for vices. …..

10) SM 7-6-79(1):- Ram sampraday aur Ravan sampradaay. Ram kahenge Bhagavaan ko. Bhagavaan hee aakar Ram Rajy sthaapan karte hain arthaath Suryavamshi Rajy sthaapan karte hain. Ram Rajy bhi nahin kahen. Parantu samjhane may sahaj hota hai Ram Rajy Ravan Rajy. Vaastav may hai Sooryavamshi Rajy. [VIMP]


= … Ram is said for God. God only comes and establishes Kingdom of Ram(Ram Rajy) that means establishes Sun dynasty Kingdom. (Actually) it should not be called as Kingdom of Ram. But it becomes easy to explain Kingdom of Ravan and Kingdom of Ram. In reality (it is) Kingdom of Sun Dynasty.

11)SM 24-4-73(3):- RAVAN KA KOYI THIKAANAA NAHIN HAI. SHIVBABA KA TO THIKAANAA HAI PARAMDHAM. Ravan ka dhaam kahaan hai? Kahenge vah to sabhi manushyon may pravesh karte hain. Unkaa koyi thikaanaa nahin hai. Sabhi manushyon ke beech may hai. -149


= Ravan has no place. Shivbaba’s place is Paramdham. Which is place of ravan? It can be said, he enters in every human being. He has no place. He is among all the human beings.

12)SM 19-8-81(2):- Baap samjhaate hain Satyug kaha jata hai nayi duniya ko. Phir Treta may 25% kum kahenge. Kyonki thoda purana ho jata hai. Phir raajy hi CV ka chalta hai. Unki nishaani dete hain kshatriy. Kyonki nayi duniya ke layak nahin baney. Isliye kum postion hoga. Humesha sabhi chaahte hain KRISHNPURI MAY JAAVE. Aise thode hi kub kahte RAMPURI MAY JAAVE. Sabhi Krishnpuri ke liye kahte hain. Gaate bhi hain chalo Vrundavan, bhaj Radhe Govind. Brindavan ki baath hai. Ayodhya ke liye nahin kahenge. Brundavan hai krishnpuri. Sri Krishn ke oopar sabhi ka bahut pyaar rahta hai. Krishn ko bahut pyaar se yaad karte hain. Krishn ko dekhte hain to kahte hain in jaisa PATI MILEY. IN JAISAA BACHCHA MILEY. IN JAISAA BHAAYI MILEY. Krishn ke pyaar may bahut rahte hain na. Sabhi chahte hain Krishnpuri. Abhi to hai Kanspuri. Ravan ki puri. Krishnpuri ka bahut mahatw hai. Krishn ko SABHI YAAD KARTE HAIN. TAB BAAP KAHTE HAIN TUM ITNAA SAMAY YAAD KARTE AAYE HO. Ab Krishn ki puri may jane ka purusharth karo. INKEY GHARANEY MAY TO AAVO. SV 8 gharane hai to itna purusharth karo jo rajayi may aakar rajkumar se to jhoolo. YAH SAMAJH KI BAATH HAI NA. Baap kahte hain bachche jitna ho sake manmanaabhav raho. Yaad may hi Maya vighn daalti hai, gir padte hain. Gyaan kub girata nahin. -175

13)Murli dt.8.11.2014 “शिवजयन्ती भी भारत में ही होती है । रावण जयन्ती भी भारत में ही होती है”

= Shiv jayanti is also (celebrated) in Bharat, as well as Jayanti of Ravan.

14) SM 8-4-76(2):- BAAP KAA BHI JANM HAI, TOH RAVAN KAA BHI JANM HOTA HAI, YAH KISKO BHI PATAA NAHIN. Koyi se bhi poocho to Ravan ko kabse jalaate ho to kahenge vah to anaadi chaltaa aataa hai. Yah sab raaz Baap samjhaate hain. -146-
[WOT, ER, Ram-ravan]

= Like there is birth of father, similarly, there is birth of ravan, but no one knows about these. Ask anyone since when you burn ravan, they will say from anaadi....


15)SM 18-4-87(1):- Jab ravan raajy shuru hota hai, toh devi devtaayein vaam maarg may chale jaate hain. Usee samay se vikaar shuru ho jaate hain. RAVAN RAAJY KAB SHURU HOTAA HAI USKAA KOYI DIN MUKRAR NAHIN HAI. TUM BACHCHE YAH THODE HEE KAH SAKENGE BABA NE KAB INMEY PRAVESH KIYAA. JAB SAAKSHAATKAAR HUVAA TAB AAYAA VAA KAB? SAAKSHAATKAAR TOH BHAKTIMAARG MAY BHI AISE HEE HO JAATE HAIN. PATAA HI NAHIN PADTAA HAI KI BABA KIS SAMAY AAYAA. KRISHN KE AANE KI GHADI DIKHAATE HAIN. SHIVBABA KI GHADI AADI KUCH HOTI NAHIN. Baba toh maalik hai. Kab aate hain pataa nahin padtaa. Haan murli se samajh jaate hain. Baap samjhaate hain main kaalon kaa kaal hun. Main sabko vaapis le gayaa thaa. Satyug may to thodey thay. -60 [entrance, ravan, vision]

= There is no date fixed for the beginning of Kingdom of ravan. You children will not understand when Shivbaba entered this one.

16)SM 18-6-82(2):- Ravan ko 10 sheesh dikhaate hain. Ravan sthool dikhaate hain. RAM KO ATI SOOKSHM DIKHAATE HAIN. VAH HAI HEE STAR. Ab fark dikhaayaa Ram aur ravan ka. Ram hai hee star jaise atma star hai. -68 [ram-ravan, wot]

= Ravan is shown with 10 heads. Ravan is shown as gross (corporeal). Ram is shown very subtle. He is just star. Now, difference between ram and Ravan is shown. Ram is just a star like any soul.


17)SM 6-10-89(2):- Tum jante ho Baap bhi drama anusaar bilkul accurate time par aate hain. Ek second ka bhi fark pad nahin saktaa. MAALOOM KAISE PADTAA HAI KI INMEY BAAP BHAGAVAAN HAI. JAB KNOWLEDGE DETE HAIN, BACHCHON KO BAITH SAMJHAATE HAIN. Shivratri bhi manaate hain na. Main Shiv kab kaise aataa hun, vah tumko toh pataa nahin hai. Shivratri, KrishnRatri manaate hain. RAM KI NAHIN MANAATE, KYONKI FARK PAD GAYAA NA. Shivratri saath Krishn ki ratri bhi manaa dete hain. Bhaktimarg ki shaastron ne kitnaa jhoothaa kar diyaa hai. -7- [Ram, shivratri, entrance]


= ….When I Shiv come, you do not know. People celebrate night of Shiv, and night of Krishna, but not of Ram. Because there is difference/gap, is it not?....


18) SM 26-10-89(1, 2):- Jo naapaas hote hain zaroor character may rola hai. Shri LN ke characters bahut achche hain. RAM KE DO KALA CHARACTERS KUM KAHENGE. Yuddh ke maidaan may ladaak hote hain. Tum Maya par jeeth pane ladaak ho na. Ram ko yah nishaani dee hai. BAAP SAMJHAATE HAIN YAH BAAP KO YAAD KARTE AUR APNEY KO DAIVEEGUNVAALAA BANAATE2 FAIL HO GAYAA. ISLIYE YAH NISHAANI RAM KO DEE HAI. Parantu koyi bhi yah nahin jaante hai. Is nishaani ko dekh Ram ki baanon se ladaayi Ravan se dikhaate hain. -36, 36- [Ram]

= Those who fail, their character would be faulty. ....Father explains, this one(ram) while remembering father and inculcating divine virtues, got failed in it. ....

19)SM 24-7-79(2):- Numberwaar pass hote hain. Koyi fail bhi hote hain. RAMCHANDR KO FAIL KAHENGE. KYONKI MAYA PAR JEETH NAHIN PAHAN SAKEY. Tumhaari bhi yuddh chal rahi hai. TUM DEKH RAHE HO, JIS RATH PAR BAAP VIRAAJMAAN HAIN, VAH TOH JEETH HEE LENGE. JAISE KUMAARKAA HAI,FALANI HAI, ZAROOR JAATH PAAVENGI. -40 [Ram, number one]

= ....Ram chandr got failed.... You are seeing, the chariot in which father is seated, he will definitely win. For example, Kumarka, or someone, definitely will win.

In some murlis, Baba has said, you can write the period of Vikarmaajeeth samvatsar(period when sin is conquered) and Vikarm samvatsar (period of sin) which then suggests children to write them as from 1-1-0001 to 31- 12- 2500, and 1-1-2501 to 31-12-5000 respectively. But, in the murli point No. 15 above, Baba there is no fixed time for the beginning of Kingdom of Ravan.
Murli Pt:- Gambheerataa se full marks jamaa hota hai. Mamma toh gambheerataa kee devi thi. = The virtue seriousness gives full marks. Mamma was a deity of seriousness.


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# Post No. 199)Murli Points on Bharat and Bharatvaasis:-


1) SM 11-08-72(1 &2):- Ab rakshaabandhan par bade2 aadmiyon paas jaayenge. Unko bhee yahee samjhaanaa pade Patit_Pavan baap is patit duniyaa ko paavan banaane sangam par hee aate hain. Barobar bhaarat paavan thaa. Abhee patit hai.

2)SM 11-08-72(2):- Yah ordinance nikaalo Jo paavan ban_ne chaahe unko tang na kiyaa jaaye. Purush Log vish ke liye bahut tang karte hain. Isliye Maataa bhaarat ko shresth banaane madad naheen kar saktee.



3)SM 08-11-72(2&3):- Stree bhee pati ke charan dhokar peetee hai. Pati ke sivaaye kisko naheen poojtee. Bhaarat may aisaa thaa. Yah to baad may sanyaasi aadi daakoo log aaye hain, jinhone ultaa aakar samjhaayaa hai. Apnee charan baith_kar pujvaate hain. Apne ko Ishwar mante2 patit ho gaye hain.

4)SM 26-08-72(2):- Bharat shreshthachaari thaa. Ab vahee bhaarat bhrashthaachaari hai. Prashn uth_taa hai bhrashthaachaari kisne banaayaa? Ravan ne. Satyug may ravan rajy nahin hai.


5)SM 26-08-72(3):- Bharatvaasi Krishn ko yaad karte hain. Vah hai Krishnpuri. Yah hai kanspuri. SriKrishn hai Satyug kaa Prince Princess ban_ne ki mahima.


6)SM 1-11-78(3):- Manushy ko bhagavaan maan_ney se hi bhaaratavaasi moorkh ban gaye hain. -45 [bharat]

7)SM 5-1-75(3):- Baap kahte hain main bhaarat may hee aataa hun.

8)SM 27-9-72(3):-Yah bhi jaante ho pahaayi poori to phir vinash shuru hogaa. Baki jo agyaan neend may hain vah khatm ho jaayenge. Yah bhaarat ki hee baat hai. Din pratidin centres vruddhi ko paate rahte hain. Karachi may bhatti may rah hoshiyaar ho aaye ho. Ab 200 hain. Phir 400 honge. Phir 800, phir 1000 ho jaavenge. Baba kahte hain ghar2 may centre kholo aur likh do health wealth arthaat nirogi tandurusti aur athaaah dhan lenaa hai to aavo. Aur srushtichakr ko yaad karne se chakravarti raajaa banenge.

9)SM 17-12-72(1):- Khel saaraa bhaarat par hi hai. Baki to beech may byplates hain. Apnaa unsay koyi connection nahin hai. Bhakti aur gyaan ka part manushy samajh nahin sakte. Unka part hee nahin hai. Part hai hi TUM bhaaratvaasiyon ka.

10)SM 17-12-72(3):- Sanyasi log kahte hain ki humne gharbaar chodaa hai. Pavitr ban_ne aur bhaarat ko pavitr banaane keliye. Govt bhi inka maan rakhti hai.

11)SM 18-12-72(2):- Atma ka swadharm hee shant hai. Jaise bharatvaasi devi devtaa dharm ko bhoole huye hain vaise atma bhi apne swadharm ko bhooli hai.

12)SM 4-2-71(1):-Satyug may bharat hi thaa. Unmay Devi Devtaavon ke raajy thaa.

13)SM 4-2-71(1):- Bharat may 5000 varsh pahle jab in LN ka raajy thaa to vahaan manushy ki aayu average 125 years hoti hai. Usko amarlok kaha jata hai.


14)SM 4-2-71(2):- Baap aakar bhaarat ko swarg ka raajy dete hain.


15)SM 4-2-71(3):- Bharat ko bhi hathiyaar milte rahte hain. Aate sabhi vilaayat se hain. Karja par bhi dete rahte hain. Bolte bhi hain humko koyi preranaa karnevaalaa hai jo hum yah banaa rahe hain. Jaante bhi hain apne kul ka vinash ho raha hai. Parantu banane bigar rah nahin sakte hain. Shankar dwara vinash yah bhi drama may noondh hai.

16)SM 5-2-71(2):- Bharat sone ki chidiyaa thee Satyug may.

17)SM 5-2-71(3):- Yah jo kuch duniyaa dekhte ho yah sabhi khatm ho jaana hai. FALL OF BHARAT. RISE OF BHARAT. YAH BHARAT KA HI KHEL HAI. Rise hai Satyug may. Ab Kaliyug fall hona hai. Yah sabhi ravan raajy kaa paamp hai. Ab vinash hona hai. Fall of WORLD. Swarg may koun2 raajy rahte hain yah Baap hi baith samjhaate hain. Rise of Bharat. Devatavon ka raajy. Fall of Bharat, Ravan Rajy. Abhi nayi duniyaa ban rahi hai.


= What all you see are going to get destroyed. FALL OF BHARAT. RISE OF BHARAT. This is the game of Bharat itself. Rise is in Golden Age. Now Iron Age is going to fall. All these are show of ravan rajy. Now destruction will happen. Fall of World. In heaven which all states exist- father himself sits and explains. Rise of Bharat= Kingdom of deities. Fall of Bharat= Kingdom of ravan. Now new world is being created.


18)SM 5-2-71(3):- Ab vinaash to hona hi hai. Hungama ho jaayegaa, Vilaayat se phir aa na sakenge. Jabardast ladayi lagengi. Phir vahaan ke vahaan rah jayenge. 50- 60 lakh denge to bhi mushkil aa sakenge. Isliye Baap kahte hain Bhaarat bhoomi sabhi se uttam hai jahaan Baap avtar lete hain.


= Now, destruction would happen. Then there would be hungaamaa (mostly severe fights). Then you will not be able to return from foreign countries. Severe fights will take place. Then you will be left there. Even if you give 50 to 60 lakhs, returning would be difficult. Hence Baba says this Bharat land is the best where father incarnates.


19)SM 15-10-71(1):- Jab satopradhaan duniya thee to ek hi Adi sanatan Devi Devtaavon ka raajy thaa bharat may. Isliye bharat sabhi se praacheen gaayaa huvaa hai.

20)SM 1-4-72(1):- Bharat par hi saaraa khel hai. Bharat 16 kala sampoorn chandrama bante hain. Vahi phir chandravamshi 14 kala hote hain. Aakhrin aadhi kalaa athvaa leek jaakar rahti hai.

= The whole game is on India/Bharat. Bharat becomes 16 degree moon. The same then becomes moon dynasty 14 degrees. In the end, it would be HALF DEGREE OR just a trace.

21)SM 8-7-71(2) or SM 8-7- 81(2):- America ab aise huyi hai. aage kyaa thaa. Jab unka sukh pooraa hoga tab tumhaare aparam_apaar sukh honge. America ab swarg jaise sukh le rahe hain. Bade2 mahal hain. Bharat to kangaal hai. Sabse bheek maangte rahte hain. 12 maas bhi bheek maang rahe hain. Garib dekhte hain inhon ko anaaj aadi sougaat may dete hain. Yah bhi Government jaanti hai bharat bahut garib ho gaya hai. Isliye 20 lakh ton anaaj ka daan dete hain ki bachchon ki (paalnaa) karo. Nahin to bharat praacheen sabse saahukaar thaa. Zameen bhi bhaarat ki sabse badi hai. Bharat se badaa aur koyi hai nahin.


22)SM 1-1-78(1):- Abhi Baap tumko RajYog sikhlate hain. Yah geeta ka purushottam Sangamyug hai. Bharat hi phir purushottam ban_ne ka hai.

23)SM 23-5-81(1):- Shiv Jayanti bhi yahaan manaayi jati hai. Yahnaa magadh desh may hee janm liya hai. Baap kahte hain yah bharat desh bahut pavitr swarg thaa. ABHI INKO MAGADH DESH KAHA JATA HAI. PHIR SWARG BAN_NAA HAI.


24)SM 19-6-81(3):- Baap aakar kalyan karte hain. Bharat ko magadh desh kahte hain. Sindh jaise fashionable koyi hote nahin. Vilayat se fashion seekhkar aate hain. Baal banana par aajkal ladkiyaan kitna kharch karti hain. Unko kaha jata hai narak ki pariyaan. Baap tumko swarg ki pariyaan banate hain.


25)SM 2-5-81(2):- Abhi toh manushyon ki kitni vruddhi hoti rahti hai. Bharat ki dharti nahin badhtee hai. Dharti toh vahee hai. Baaki manushy kum jaasti hote hain.


26)SM 21-5-81(2):-Sanyasi kab aise nahin kahenge Ram Rajy chahiye. Bharatvaasi hee kahenge. Sanyasiyon ka dharm hee alag hai.

27)SM 16-5-81(3):- Saari duniya aakar math nahin legi. Yah mushkil hai jo tum saari duniya ko math do. -26


28)SM 4-9-77(2):- Bharat ko hee Mother-Father country kaha jata hai. Unko kahte bharat mata. Toh zaroor pita bhi chahiye na. Donon chahiye. Aajkal vandemaataram bharat mata ko kahte hain. Kyonki bharat avinaashi khand hai. Yahaan hee parampita paramatma aate hain. Toh bharat oonch teerth huvaa na. Toh saare bharat ko vandanaa karni chahiye. Parantu yah gyaan koyi may hai nahin. Vandanaa ki jati hai pavitrata ko. Baap kahte hain vandemaataram. Shivshaktiyaan tum ho jin_honey bharat ko swarg banaya hai. Harek ko apni janmbhoomi achchi lagti hai na. Toh sabse oonch bhoomi yah bharat hai jahaan baap aakar sabko pavan banate hain. -4- [SP, bharat, maatpita]


29)SM 2-4-78(3):- Bhagavaan bharat ke peechey deevaanaa banaa hai ki HUM BHARAT KO HERE JAISAA BANAAVOONGAA. TOH AASHIK HUVAA NA BHARAT PAR. Bharat ko phir se oonch banaate hain. Aashuk maashuk pichaadi deevaanaa hota hai na. Toh Bharatvaashiyon peechey kitnaa deevaanaa hai. Kitnaa dur se bhaagte hain aur phir kitnaa nirahankaari hain. -80- [bharat, GM, wot]

30)SM 17-6-82(1):- TUM SECOND MAY JIVANMUKTI KA VARSAA DILA SAKTEY HO. Is samay sab jivanbandh may hain. Khaas bharat. BHARAT HEE EK SECOND MAY JIVANMUKTI KA VARSAA LETE HAIN. -66 [second, bharat]


31)SM 2-11-82(1):- Ishwar hi Rajayog sikhlaate hain. Kiske liye rajayog sikhlaate hain. Kyaa Bharat ko raajaayi dete hain? Nahin. SIRF BHARAT KI BAATH NAHIN. Tum bachchon ko saare vishw kaa maalik ban_ne liye Rajayog sikhlaate hain. Yah aim object clear hai. BHAL RAJAYI KOYI TUKDEY PAR KARENGE. VISHW MAY TOH NAHIN KARENGE. PARANTU KAHNEY MAY AATAA HAI VISHW KA MAALIK. Tum bachche jaante ho nayi duniyaa ke liye hum takdir banaakar aaye hain. Saari vishw nayi ban jaati hai. Capital Bharat hai. Tumhaarey vishw may capita dehali(= Delhi) hogi. Unkaa naam gaayaa huva hai paristhaan. -69 [Kings, bharat]


32)SM 27-08-72(1 or 2):- Ek do ko maarne kaa kitnaa badaa paap hai. Jaanvar ko maarne may itna paap naheen lagtaa, jitna manushy ko maarne kaa paap lagtaa hai. Bhaarat may ek do may ladne kaa bahut hai.


33)SM 30-10-72(1, 2):- Pahley devi devtaayein hee thay. Abhi aur dharmon may convert ho gaye hain. Kitni bhinn2 bhaashaayen hain. Jaise Europeans hain. America ki bhaashaa alag, France ki alag. Hain toh sab Christian log. Jaise Cheen(=China) ke dekho ek hee bowdh dharm ke hain. Parantu Cheen ki bhaashaa Japan ki bhaashaa alag2 hai. Hain toh sab bouddhi. Parantu vruddhi ho jaaney se alag2 ho jaate hain. Aapas may dushman bhi ban jaate hain. Bharat ka dushman koyi nahin hai. Yah toh doosrey dharmvaaley aakar ladtey (seems that actually should be LADAATEY) hain. NAHIN TOH BHAARATVAAASIYON KI AAPAS MAY LADAAYI AISEY KAB HUYI NAHIN HAI. DOOSRON NE LADAAYAA LOBH KE VASH. Yah bhi khel hai. Bharatvaasi bhool gaye hain ki hum hi Vishw ke maalik thay. -67-, 68 [Bharat, PKY]


A Note:- In murli point No. 32) baba says, there are lots of fights among Indians. In 33), Baba says, there is no much fight among Indians when compared to other parts in the world which appear to be contradicting. But, I believe- in the former, Baba is addressing about smaller level of fights/conflicts, in the latter, baba is saying about big wars. between the countries between same religions.

34) SM 3-9-78(1):- Angrezi log bhi samajhte hain ki god, godess ka raajy bharat may thaa. Parantu kab thaa yah nahin samajhte. Bharat bahut saahukaar thaa. Ab toh kangaal ho gayaa hai. Isliye bharat ko paisa dete hain. Garib ko daan diyaa jataa hai. Toh ab dan dete hain. BHARAT SE HEE BAHUT PAISE LE GAYE HAIN. AB PHIR BHARAT KO DETE RAHTE HAIN. Sab paisa dete hain. Toh bharat garib tah_raa na. Baap kahte hain meraa part hai garib bharat ko here jaisaa banaanaa. -59 [Bharat, Krishn-Christ]


35)SM 15-2-89(3):- Baap toh hai hee gareeb nivaaz. Daan bhee gareebon ko hee diyaa jaataa hai. BAAP KHUD KAHTE HAIN MAIN BHEE SAADHAARAN TAN MAY AATAA HUN. NA GAREEB, NA SAAHUKAAR. Tum bachche hee Baap ko jaante ho. Baaki saaree duniyaa toh gaalee detee rahtee hai. BAAP KAHTE HAI BHAARATAVAASIYON KO DRAMA MAY PART HAI GAALEE DENE KAA, GAALEE KARNE KAA. JIS BHAARAT KO ITNAA OONCHAA SWARG BANAAYAA UNHONEY HEE BAHUT GLAANEE KEE HAI. Tikkar, bittar may thok diyaa hai. Baap aisaa dharm sthaapan karte hain jo vahaan dukh kaa naam bhee naheen rahegaa. JINKO SUKH DETAA HUN, VAHEE KAANTE BAN MERI GLAANI KARTE, GAALIYAAN DETE HAIN. Devataavon kee bhee glaani karte hain. -62 [Rath, God’s acts, Bharat]


36)SM 29-11-76(1):- Hum utarte2 bhaktimarg may aate hain. AISEY NAHIN KAHENGE KI AUR DHARMVAALEY BHI BHAKTIMAARG MAY HAIN. NAHIN. YAH KAHAANI TUM BHAARATAVAASIYON KI HAI. Bhal raavan raajy hai. Paranu unhon ke liye raavan raajy nahin kahenge. Vah apney samay par satopradhaan, phir sato, rajo, tamo may aate hain. Dharmon ki sthaapnaa hoti hai. 42- [religions, bharat,inf]


37)12-08-72(2):- Satyug may sirf bhaarat hee thaa.


38)After SM 11-10-72(3):- (Night Class):- Saari duniya to yog may nahin rahti. Yah yog kitnaa badaa hai. Jis_se khaas bhaarat swarg bantaa hai. Vah khand to khalaas ho jaavegaa. Ek hee bhaarat khand rahtaa hai. Swarg Narak yahee bhaarat bantaa hai.


Translation would be done later.
Murli Pt:- Gambheerataa se full marks jamaa hota hai. Mamma toh gambheerataa kee devi thi. = The virtue seriousness gives full marks. Mamma was a deity of seriousness.

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