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We are sustained by God's energy not by food alone:

Jesus testified that man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God. (Matthew 4:4.) This memorable passage signifies that man's body does not depend only on external sources of life force—distillations from; breath, oxygen, sunshine, solids, and liquids—but also on a direct inner source of cosmic life that enters the body through the medulla, flowing then to the subtle centers in the brain and spine.

Unlike the ordinary man, the yogi realizes that his life is not conditioned by exhalation and inhalation, but that the steady life force in the brain is continuously reinforced through the medulla from the omnipresent cosmic current.

The breathless yogi, however, realizes the state of conscious "death" as a far deeper and more blessed state than that bestowed by the deepest blissful semi-superconscious sleep. When breath ceases in the Kriya Yogi, he is suffused with an incomparable bliss. He realizes then that it is the storm of human breath that is responsible for the creation of the dream wave of the human body and its sensations; it is breath that causes body consciousness.

By experiencing the reality of the body as prana or lifetrons, controlled by the thought of God, the yogi becomes one with Him.

A man sees himself in a dream; the power of his mind creates the consciousness of a real physical body. Similarly, by materializing His thought, the Lord has made dream men walking about a dream creation in dream bodies of flesh. The body is nothing but a materialized dream of God.

The Lord surrounded man's soul first with an idea body. Then He encased the idea body with a very fine or subtle light (the astral body). The third or final encasement was the electroatomic dream body, the illusion of a fleshly form.

The reason, therefore, that the Gita advises devotees to practice the pranayama life-control technique is to enable them to realize that the body is made not of flesh, but of life force condensed from the thought of God.

The Spiritual Eye: http://www.yogananda.com.au/pyr/pyr_eye1.html

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BK1 wrote:
Unlike the ordinary man, the yogi realizes that his life is not conditioned by exhalation and inhalation, but that the steady life force in the brain is continuously reinforced through the medulla from the omnipresent cosmic current.


You mean, you believe a fully conscious yogi doesn't need to breathe? Do you have any evidence that someone like that has ever existed? I mean, it would be easy to prove, just show evidence that some yogi remained underwater for 30 minutes and survived?

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The breathless yogi, however, realizes the state of conscious "death" as a far deeper and more blessed state than that bestowed by the deepest blissful semi-superconscious sleep. When breath ceases in the Kriya Yogi, he is suffused with an incomparable bliss. He realizes then that it is the storm of human breath that is responsible for the creation of the dream wave of the human body and its sensations; it is breath that causes body consciousness.


Do you actually believe that breath causes body consciousness?

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A man sees himself in a dream; the power of his mind creates the consciousness of a real physical body. Similarly, by materializing His thought, the Lord has made dream men walking about a dream creation in dream bodies of flesh. The body is nothing but a materialized dream of God.


If the body is just a dream, then you might as well commit suicide and nothing real will change. If the dream exists because of the body, you will even wake up. By your logic, all mankind should commit suicide to wake up from the dream.

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.....the truth in the Bible— that man's body-battery can live by the Word or vibratory current coming from God. The life in the body is directly sustained by the cosmic prana flowing through the medulla. Through the operation of maya or delusion, however, man believes that he cannot live without food and other outward aids. He becomes erroneously dependent on the gross sources of energy reinforcement through oxygen, sunshine, solids, and liquids. Man has formed a bad mortal habit in feeling that he cannot exist without a supply of energy from these material substances. That is why, if oxygen, sunshine, solids, and liquids are denied to the body, man's frightened consciousness permits the life force to depart.

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The life in the body is directly sustained by the cosmic prana flowing through the medulla. Through the operation of maya or delusion, however, man believes that he cannot live without food and other outward aids. He becomes erroneously dependent on the gross sources of energy reinforcement through oxygen, sunshine, solids, and liquids. Man has formed a bad mortal habit in feeling that he cannot exist without a supply of energy from these material substances. That is why, if oxygen, sunshine, solids, and liquids are denied to the body, man's frightened consciousness permits the life force to depart.

I agree partially, but not fully.

Because if body can be sustained just by cosmic praanaa, without food, then someone should have done this (indefinitely for the whole life span) and there should be great examples in front of us.

But- I agree it is possible, it is hathayoga. Our body's every cell needs oxygen, vitamin, etc for sustenance. But, if our yoga(mental state) becomes very good, then the need of these reduce and if the mental state is extra ordinary, body can sustain without oxygen for several hours. But- I doubt whether it can sustain indefinitely. I do not think it is possible. [There are cases where some hathayogis sitting in water for some hours]. But- it will be only for few hours.

But- Rajayoga (God's energy) gives us power naturally. The aim is not to sustain body here, but to get detached from body and fly like a bird like BBaba left his body during the last minutes. The aim is to transform karmabhog to karmayog. The aim is to increase the life span by yogic lifestyle (that too for spiritual benefit), not to sustain the body without food.


Else- if body can be sustained indefinitely without food, then hathayoga would be getting higher value than rajayoga(natural yoga).


Mu Point:- Whatever effort you may put, you can never become ocean. No one gets 100 marks, it is reserved just to ShivBaba.

Baba praises/says all the different powers in the drama.

Power of drama
Power of God
Power of maya (the one that fulfills negative desires, so this may not be considered as power as it is degrading).
Power of science and nature.
Power of hathayoga.

Baba also has said- atma kaa bomb toh bahuton ne daalaa hai, paramaatma kaa bomb toh kisee ne naheen daalaa hai = Many have put(achieved) soul bombs (highest human level), but no one has put Supreme Bomb(god realization).
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Actually, the effect is combined one. That is nature plus spiritual/mental. It cannot be just one. If a person tries to live just by one power (either just by food, or mental power) - I think both are fools. That is why Baba never violates rules of drama. He does miracles only if it predestined in drama for world benefit. Else, He never tries to experiment with ego or ignorance.

So- some yogis may write their experiences and may give proof, but just for few hours only. Every individual can live without oxygen, say for 10 seconds. These great yogis are just extending it to few hours, that is all, is it not? Is that proving that one can live without oxygen? I do not think so.


Baba gets the name Almighty Authority because he respects the higher authority(drama) above him.* Else- even his actions would lead to waste or ordinary. The hathayogis or the scientists do a great research and effort but, their fruit is highly temporary, whereas the fruit of rajayoga is the highest (at least for 2500 years) and it opens door to mukti for all others (even if they do not put effort). Wonderful, is it not?

I am not objecting any views of anyone here. But- when we think of Baba, drama, and varsaa(property), any great achievement in this world- we feel dis interest in them.

But- really a good post as it gives us extra confidence.

* - We also get title master almighty only when we surrender to the almighty authorities above us (baba and drama).
Murli Pt:- Gambheerataa se full marks jamaa hota hai. Mamma toh gambheerataa kee devi thi. = The virtue seriousness gives full marks. Mamma was a deity of seriousness.

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The fact that human beings and animals in states of suspended animation can maintain life indefinitely by spinal and mental energy, shows that life force itself is the only essential to sustaining life. Hindu saints have been buried alive beneath the ground for as long as several months—even years—without food or oxygen, and after disinterment have regained consciousness and resumed normal life.

In mortal existence, however, the life energy in the body, instead of drawing directly upon its source—the inexhaustible Cosmic Energy—distills energy from food, and thus comes to depend on being sustained by food. But food is not the cause of the presence of life force in the body; it is merely one of the conditions by which mortal life exists.

Without light, reading a book is impossible; but the reading matter is not caused by the light. Likewise, without food, existence is ordinarily impossible; yet food is not the cause that creates life. Through the habit of incarnations the body has become used to depending upon food and breath to maintain life. The more the body is trained to live by life force, the less it need depend upon food and oxygen.

THE BIBLE AND THE HINDU SCRIPTURES AGREE

"Man (man's body battery) shall not live (cannot be sustained) by bread alone (by solid and liquid food and oxygen only) , but by every word (unit of life energy) that proceedeth out of (pours forth from) the mouth of God (the medulla oblongata at the base of the skull in the back of the head, through which cosmic energy descends into the body) " (Matthew 4:4) . The life energy that transforms food into energy is the real sustainer of life. According to the Hindu scriptures, the food of the future will be almost solely this life energy from the cosmos. When man's body, mind, and soul batteries run down, they will be recharged directly by cosmic energy.


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Good, then I may be wrong.
Murli Pt:- Gambheerataa se full marks jamaa hota hai. Mamma toh gambheerataa kee devi thi. = The virtue seriousness gives full marks. Mamma was a deity of seriousness.

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It is only the Power of God that Heals:

Ignorance is the supreme disease. When one banishes ignorance he also banishes the causes of all physical, mental, and spiritual disease.

Only in the unlimited power of spiritual methods may man find a permanent cure for the “dis-ease” of body, mind, and soul. That boundless power of healing is to be sought in God.

Chemicals and medicines affect only the outer physical composition of the bodily cells and do not alter the inner atomic structure or life principle of the cells. In many cases no cure of disease is possible until the healing power of God has corrected, from within, the imbalance of “lifetrons” or intelligent life energy in the body.

He who finds joy within himself discovers that his body is charged with electric current, life energy, not from food but from God.

The healing methods in connection with food and the cleansing of the body by herbs or fasting are limited in their effectiveness; but when one is joyful within, he invites the help of the inexhaustible power of God. ...A genuine smile distributes the cosmic current, prana, to every body cell. The happy man is less subject to disease, for happiness actually attracts into the body a greater supply of the universal life energy.

The rules for guarding against disease should be: self-control, exercise, proper eating, drinking plenty of fruit juices, occasional fasting, and smiling all the time from within. Those smiles come from meditation. You will find then the eternal power of God. When you are in ecstasy with Him you consciously bring His healing presence into your body.

Mind power carries with it the unfailing energy of God; that is the power you want in your body. And there is a way to bring in that power. The way is communion with God by meditation. When your communion with Him is perfect, the healing is permanent.

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BK1:
Unlike the ordinary man, the yogi realizes that his life is not conditioned by exhalation and inhalation, but that the steady life force in the brain is continuously reinforced through the medulla from the omnipresent cosmic current.

The breathless yogi, however, realizes the state of conscious "death" as a far deeper and more blessed state than that bestowed by the deepest blissful semi-superconscious sleep. When breath ceases in the Kriya Yogi, he is suffused with an incomparable bliss. He realizes then that it is the storm of human breath that is responsible for the creation of the dream wave of the human body and its sensations; it is breath that causes body consciousness.

True, I have read many such experiences but people with these experiences are now very less coz today yog has become more like a business.

The life in the body is directly sustained by the cosmic prana flowing through the medulla. Through the operation of maya or delusion, however, man believes that he cannot live without food and other outward aids. He becomes erroneously dependent on the gross sources of energy reinforcement through oxygen, sunshine, solids, and liquids. Man has formed a bad mortal habit in feeling that he cannot exist without a supply of energy from these material substances. That is why, if oxygen, sunshine, solids, and liquids are denied to the body, man's frightened consciousness permits the life force to depart.

Yes that is again true. But it has got less to do with self realization.

mbbhat:
Because if body can be sustained just by cosmic praanaa, without food, then someone should have done this (indefinitely for the whole life span) and there should be great examples in front of us.

Yes, there is one example of such a woman of India who at a very small age attained this siddhi to remain alive without food. Many people tested her & atlast everyone left wondering about it. Just check out there are enough examples around which can tell us that soul consciousness can manifest anywhere.

Our body's every cell needs oxygen, vitamin, etc for sustenance. But, if our yoga(mental state) becomes very good, then the need of these reduce and if the mental state is extra ordinary, body can sustain without oxygen for several hours.But- I doubt whether it can sustain indefinitely.

Yes it can. But there is no need of it.

There are cases where some hathayogis sitting in water for some hours]. But- it will be only for few hours.

Then you are hardly aware of the power of yoga. This technique to remain in Samadhi can extend one to remain still in any condition for 1000 years exactly.

But- Rajayoga (God's energy) gives us power naturally. The aim is not to sustain body here, but to get detached from body and fly like a bird like BBaba left his body during the last minutes.

Whatever you say it is also a branch of yoga. And everyone leaves his/her body in last minutes. There is no wonder in that.

The aim is to increase the life span by yogic lifestyle (that too for spiritual benefit), not to sustain the body without food.

To what extent one can extend his life through BK yoga technique? What is the need? One day one has to leave it, then why to take so much pain for increasing life? Also, if you are out of Dehadhyas or body consciousness, then increasing life of body does not make any sense?
First step is to identify what is the extent of Dehadhyas, only then one can get out of it.

Else- if body can be sustained indefinitely without food, then hathayoga would be getting higher value than rajayoga(natural yoga).

Definitely, the hatha yoga style can make one capable to attain that state. But again it is not the goal. According to Yoga terminology, Sahaja yoga is called Natural yoga. Sahaj means what happens naturally. Perfect Rajyoga is attained after much efforts which most often everyone point out here.

Mu Point:- Whatever effort you may put, you can never become ocean. No one gets 100 marks, it is reserved just to ShivBaba.

Sorry to say but check your Murli again. It has been written there by someone's mistake. Anyone can get 100 marks, there is no bondage to that.

He does miracles only if it predestined in drama for world benefit.

There are no miracles in the world. Miracle is out of Laws, which does not happen ever. Anyone who has more buddhi does things which cannot be comprehended by others buddhi, so he calls it miracle to fool others. There are instances which can puzzle even the most intelectual person but it is still not a miracle. There is a spiritual science about it.

These great yogis are just extending it to few hours, that is all, is it not? Is that proving that one can live without oxygen? I do not think so.

Yoga is meant to break all forms of bondage. More efforts are required here.

Baba gets the name Almighty Authority because he respects the higher authority(drama) above him. We also get title master almighty only when we surrender to the almighty authorities above us (baba and drama).

What is the need of title or any tag of identification?

But- when we think of Baba, drama, and varsaa(property), any great achievement in this world- we feel dis interest in them
But I think they feel interested in titles.

Else- even his actions would lead to waste or ordinary. The hathayogis or the scientists do a great research and effort but, their fruit is highly temporary, whereas the fruit of rajayoga is the highest (at least for 2500 years) and it opens door to mukti for all others (even if they do not put effort).

Wonderful, is it not?

No, first give the proof of it (the way you ask proof from proof, you must give one. It should not be just a belief.) The assumption of 2500 years is still of no evidence.


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Easy Meditation:

If the body is just a dream, then you might as well commit suicide and nothing real will change.

Take it easy Easy meditation. Calm down. Don't point to such a henious activity. A Rajyogi does not speak like that. It sounds bad if it is a Rajyogi speech. [Even he could have said that you may commit same to reach Sweet home as fast as possible, but see he did not say anything like that]

BK1:
According to the Hindu scriptures, the food of the future will be almost solely this life energy from the cosmos. When man's body, mind, and soul batteries run down, they will be recharged directly by cosmic energy.

This is not so brother. It may be written anywhere but one must live with reality. There is no such cosmic energy which will sustain billions. The utilisation of Cosmic energy is done by everyone even today but may be to just infinitesimally small extent. One can do so for his body only after becoming fully omniscient.
Only in the unlimited power of spiritual methods may man find a permanent cure for the “dis-ease” of body, mind, and soul.

Soul does not have any disease. In relative talks only, one can say that it has.

Mind power carries with it the unfailing energy of God

Mind is powerful but it does not carry even an ounce of energy from God. Mind is temporary while God is permanent. So, both have different powers. Powers of mind are visible in God's presence but it does not mean that mnid's energy belongs to God. HIS presence is required & enough for mind to remain alive.

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Peaceonearth,

Your experience I feel will help many of us.


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