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Post Mon Mar 16, 2015 12:24 pm

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Baba says- Drama is accurate. Now, to what extent it is accurate?


1)First of all, Baba says- drama is a play of happiness and sorrow, so both are there, inevitable. And drama is variety.

2)Drama is more than 75% happiness, hence we can say it is accurate. - This is the main point here.

3)Now, when we see the great wars, atrocities, torture, etc happening in this world- sometimes question comes in mind- How much crime is happening. Is drama accurate?

But- if we think of the punishment in garbh jail(womb), problems due to natural calamaties, some great diseases, handicapped by birth,- these could be worse/higher than the human atrocities. So- the karmic account created by self is the main cause not the external threats.

All the souls commit violence. In the world, more than 95% people are non vegetarians. Even BK souls would have done similar karmas in their past births. If we do not compensate our bad karmas, definitely we will have to eat the punishment in one or other way, is it not.

So- some become nimitt for the cause for wars and mass people get affected. But- each one is responsible indirectly for the creation of that atmosphere. There is a saying- "if you are not part of solution, you are part of the problem".


And- it is because of feeling of ego and humiliation, we create disturb the atmosphere or get influenced by them, else we would be safe in most of the cases. The loss of self esteem is the main cause.

If we continuously feel/anticipate the punishment of Dharmaraj which is going to much higher than the human atrocities, naturally we will not get influenced by people and their actions, and will be in unlimited dis interest state and become free from these atrocities.

But- in the world, most of the people are attached to body, materials, and bodily personalities, and get influenced by these. So- is it not that they only make them weak so that they make themselves more vulnerable to situation?

So- there is justification for the atrocities happening in this world. People have become criminals either directly or indirectly, hence one or other way, will have to suffer.

4)Now- totally non violent vegetarian animals (goat, cow, etc) are killed for human food. What sins have they done to suffer? Or, if they suffer so much, then how much sins we had developed (we might have developed more, is it not?), then how much punishment we will get in the end! This thought was creating a disturbance to me sometimes when I used to become over conscious of it.

A murli point:- Haathi ko bahut deh ahankaar rahtaa hai = Elephant has high level of ego.

And- all the animals will have body consciousness and greed and also vices to some extent at leat. So- even that is sin. The pain these animals are going to experience is for few minutes. And- they are not going to get punishment from Dharmaraj. So- their accounts get cleared now and then. This is the justification what I give to myself.

A murli point:- Beethi kaa chintaan naheen karnaa hai = You should not think of past (negative things).

Mu . Point:- Agar vikalp khatma huvaa, toh samjho vikarmon kaa khaataa khatm huvaa = If your negative thoughts or doubtful intellect end, then understand that your karmic account is cleared. So- if we are not bothered about them and remain in saakshi stage, then baba gives us guarantee that we would be safe. So- it is our own negative thoughts (and previous karmic account which hinder yoga with baba) which are the main cause for us getting influenced by the external situation.


Mu Point:- Manushyon may aatmaa sabsey jyaadaa chaitany roop may rahtaa hai = The human souls will have highest level of chaitany (awareness).

If a small child is subjected to torture, it will not experience pain to others. Adults will experience more pain due to extra stress doe to ego. So degree of pain an animal or a small child experiences would be lesser than that of man. So- again the cause (for extra pain) is self, only is it not. This is another justification I think.

Suppose say- a person is killed or raped. If it happens in one family, then it will not be taken as serious. But- if the same happens between two different communities, then it will become a big issue. Actually there should not be difference if we consider all as human beings. But- people feel difference. Why? Because we have failed to maintain right relation with people, is it not.


5)Some laws in drama:-
1)When there is purity, then only there can be (great) happiness.

Once the deities lose purity, might in the religion gets lost. Then it cannot be single religion. Other religions automatically begin to come and gradually the real happiness and power decrease. Even the power and purity of nature and body decreases and people have to work more to live, and their body starts to develop sweat and disease.

Mu Point:- There would be no disease for the first 3500 yrs (of a kalpa).

So- now, if we are conscious of srushti chakra- that more than 75% is happiness, then Ok, we will be able to convert negative into positive and also help others to get some relief due to our positive vibrations.

So- the law is without purity, experience of great happiness is not possible. This law is right, is it not. So- drama is accurate in this way.

6)God gets highest criticisms in drama:- In one way, this is wrong. But- if we see in another way- God does not descend to the world, even if people pray him during Bhaktimarg. He waits till the end of kalpa, and there is a great delay. So- obviously, further degradation will occur and hence God will have to face all the criticisms, is it not.

7)Deities also get defamed in drama:- Deities also get defamed.

Unless pure things (God, deities and heaven) are defamed, world cannot degrade. So- in the worldly point of view(in scriptures), even deities and heaven have been shown as vicious. And- when degradation is fixed in drama, all these should happen.

8)Baba says- there is gaayan of khooney naahek khel So- in the end, there will be heavy fight between people.

Now, this is also correct. Because it will/has to be proved that people are not fight to live. Then only drama will close= kalpa will come to end. People will develop dis interest at that time. Then only door to liberation will open. So- until people love to live in this world, kalpa will not come to end.
Murli Pt:- Gambheerataa se full marks jamaa hota hai. Mamma toh gambheerataa kee devi thi. = The virtue seriousness gives full marks. Mamma was a deity of seriousness.

Post Thu Apr 21, 2016 12:35 pm

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Really helpful points. I have one question
Childrens of the God get all their inheritance from God for 21 births due to efforts they make in previous cycle. But what about the other souls? Those who come in copper age with lots of health and wealth, how did they get that without even making efforts and without remembering God in previous cycle?

I guess, they all have made efforts after its too late(after revelation) in the end for short time, hence they too are numberswise in terms of fortune. The only difference is that they come after copper age because they are too late. But Baba gives them return of their remembrance. Am I right ? Please correct me.

Post Fri Apr 22, 2016 5:05 am

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Children of the God get all their inheritance from God for 21 births due to efforts they make in previous cycle. But what about the other souls? Those who come in copper age with lots of health and wealth, how did they get that without even making efforts and without remembering God in previous cycle?

Even without effort, one will receive property. Because all respect God. Even atheists respect invisible things (power) or at least nature.

Mu Point: (almost in right words)- "Kayi log bhagavaan ko maanthay naheen hain, lekin zaroor koyi shakti ko maanthay hain. Kam se kam, nature ko toh maanthay hain. = Some do not believe in God, but still believe in some power. At least believe (them as miracles of) nature.

So, those who develop all the relations with God receive highest property. Those who develop lesser relationship with God, receive lesser. This makes numberwise.

And- an imp thing- happiness is not just external, it is also due to internal. Post No. 191 - viewtopic.php?f=25&t=1167&p=15229&hilit=external#p15229 .

We can see some poor people even without having anything in their life, live in joy, they can smile in silly things. Even if people look them down, they do not get affected. And-some rich, educated , healthy people have stress in their mind. Many rich countries are sometimes loaded with their plan to exploit other poor countries.
I guess, they all have made efforts after its too late(after revelation) in the end for short time, hence they too are numberswise in terms of fortune. The only difference is that they come after copper age because they are too late. But Baba gives them return of their remembrance. Am I right ? Please correct me.

This too may have value to a certain percentage, as even repentance, revelation, etc are going to help them in SELF REALIZATION.

But, even without putting any effort, everyone will get happiness, as Baba has said- drama is made for happiness.

One alone will never get full credit. For example, a person may be the inventor of some thing, say mobile/cell phone. But, others, even if they do not had put any effort in its invention, just by paying a small amount, will be able to enjoy/use it. The person who had invented will have to make sure that, it will be easily accessible to others and user friendly as well.

That is why even if it is God who is the real High, he gives the same or very near status to Prajapita. See Baba calls even Prajapita as anaadi. Also- God of Gita title goes to Sri Krishna. - Post No. 177 - viewtopic.php?f=25&t=1167&p=14927&hilit=anaadi#p14927

Next- Prajapita Brahma Baba is the real/first corporeal father as well as mother. But, he gets only half of his title. Title Jagadamba goes to the smaller mother who is really daughter (Mamma). - Post No. 60 - viewtopic.php?f=25&t=1167&hilit=anaadi&start=70
Murli Pt:- Gambheerataa se full marks jamaa hota hai. Mamma toh gambheerataa kee devi thi. = The virtue seriousness gives full marks. Mamma was a deity of seriousness.

Post Sat Apr 23, 2016 9:34 am

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That's good collection of points. Adding few more -

As my question was how do other souls get happiness, if we compare BK souls with non-Bk souls, it should be equal for both. But it's not. BKs are more fortunate to experience happiness for long time. Because not everyone can take birth in Golden age, population has to rise slowly anyway.

Because the tree is inverted and only the 1st 33 crore of deity souls have this fortune of understanding the drama and being numberwise in making effort. As the population increases the newer souls come for few births only so that's why they are happy because otherwise it would be partiality. It's absolutely alright even if they don't make effort for it. Because they are the branches of tree(unfortunately), not as lucky as BK.. So they are being made kings of iron age, wealthy people of iron age as a compensation I guess.
Even in the iron age these souls experience happiness without making efforts, it's fine I guess because it's how the tree is.
(They perform numberwise devotion which decides thier ranks I guess, atheists are the last one to come)

Hero/heroine souls have to make efforts. Because they are purvaj atma.

In the path of knowledge also, no matter how hard you try- you can never become Krishna,radha.. Neither u can become God. Those seats are already taken as a rule. You can't take away anyone's fortune. So, even if it seems like unequal distribution (the tree can't be square shaped or cylindrical symmetry.. It is the cone shaped unsymmetrical distribution of ranks) it's benevolent for all as the Father said.

Post Sun Apr 24, 2016 11:26 pm

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Good points.
In the path of knowledge also, no matter how hard you try- you can never become Krishna,radha.. Neither u can become God. Those seats are already taken as a rule. You can't take away anyone's fortune.

Even though those are fixed, opportunity is given to everyone to go ahead even Mamma- Baba.

SM 19-9-82(3):- TUM MAMMA BABA SE BHI OONCH JAA SAKTEY HO. PARANTU VIVEK KAHTAA HAI MAMMA BABA SE OONCH KOYI JAA NAHIN SAKTAA. BHAL SOORY CHAAND KO GRAHAN LAGTAA HAI. Parantu toot nahin saktey. Sitaarey toot padtey hain. -27 [number one, hoshiyaar, soory]

= You may go ahead of Mamma, Baba. But wisdom says- no one can go ahead than Mamma Baba*.

The BALANCE required in life- one who attains highest balance reaches highest stage. How humble they are. They completed their work, and are waiting for children to become complete. They kept children ahead of them. They sacrificed everything for the children and humanity.

Even Shivbaba- how how humble he is. People defame name of God. Baba being almighty, surrenders himself fully to drama. Never takes law into his hands. Usually when a person gets power, he gets ego, or gets influenced at least by himself. But, the highest personalities will not get influenced even by their fortune.

*- We all know in advance what they have done. But, are we able to do what they had done? We fail even to copy them. Baba says- (in spirituality) copying is Ok. The exam paper is already out. So, opportunity is given to every one.
But, a murli point:- Denevaalaa itnaa detaa hai, jo lenevaalaa thak jaataa hai = The one who gives gives so much such that the one who receives gets tired.
Murli Pt:- Gambheerataa se full marks jamaa hota hai. Mamma toh gambheerataa kee devi thi. = The virtue seriousness gives full marks. Mamma was a deity of seriousness.

Post Sat Mar 17, 2018 2:19 pm

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15) India/Bharat should become poor and weak at the end of Kalpa. Because then only others can visit Bharat easily. Else, if the currency value of Bharat is high, many would not be able to afford to come to Madhuban for meeting with BapDada.

16) India is the only country that has given shelter to all the religions with a great respect.
Mostly, India has not invaded any other country.
So, it gets the praise of most sacred country in the world, which become fully heaven, and it becomes God's birth place.
But, India should experience at least some defeat in kalpa. Else, it would go beyond the balance. Hence of the 5000 yrs, it experiences defeat for around 400 to 500 years of the end period in the Kalpa (time cycle). Another reason is-¹

17) If till the end of Kalpa, if Bharat would have been number one, then obviously, it would be Bharat that would be the Super Power instead of America and Russia.
Then, Bharat would be at first place to invent nuclear weapons. Then Bharat would get the bad name as directly responsible for the upcoming huge destruction.
Also, in that case, the title "most sacred country" would not look good on Bharat .

As Baba says- " Alp kaal ke haar mein bahut kaal ki jeeth samaayi huyi hai = In the defeat for small period, lies victory for large period", we should take in that spirit.
Murli Pt:- Gambheerataa se full marks jamaa hota hai. Mamma toh gambheerataa kee devi thi. = The virtue seriousness gives full marks. Mamma was a deity of seriousness.


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