Let me repeat my points on:- आत्मा का कोई रूप है IPoint No.1:- किसी चीज का रूप है, अर्थात उसको देखा जा सकता है I
Point No.2:- आत्मा की कोई न कोई आकृति है I (जैसे गोलाकार, अण्डाकार, त्रिभुजाकार, etc.) Soul has a shape.
Point No.3:- आत्मा, चाहे कितना भी छोटी क्यों न हो, उसकी कुछ आकर (Size) जरूर है I Soul has a size.
43) What is the real shape of the soul- among - "(जैसे गोलाकार, अण्डाकार, त्रिभुजाकार, etc.) " ?
मुझे 8 साल पहले BHEL, Hydrabad में Training के लिए जाना हुआ, ट्रेनिंग दौरान मुझे प्यारे बाबा की घर से (Township में स्थित ब्रह्माकुमारीज सेण्टर) भोजन प्राप्त हुआ, आखिर दिन सेण्टर की पूर्ब संचालिका सकुंतला बहन मुझे कुछ सौगात देने पूर्व दृष्टि दे रहे थे I तब मुझे उनकी भृकुटि में आत्मा की साक्षात्कार हुई I मेरा ख़ुशी का ठिकाना नहीं था, बहुत ही स्पष्ट रूप से मै उनकी भुकुटि से निकलती अनगिनत सफेद (white) शीतल किरणें देखा I किरणें laser show की तरह बहुत महीन और सीधे थे I करीब 2 फ़ीट दुरी तक किरणें आ रही थी I
44) I have experienced bliss in assuming both white as well as red in colour. In murlis, Baba has said both, but more times as red.
Again- I have experienced bliss in both oval shaped as well as point form.
In olden days- the logo used was only oval shape. So- I used to meditate in that form. Later the point shape picture came. Then I changed my way of meditation, I experienced the same seed stage even in that form. Now, I like to stick to the point form.
Baba says- "as the bhaavna, vision would be given. " On what bhaavnaa (feelings) we put effort - either in bhakti, or in gyaan, we will experience. In gyaan, the bhaavnaa would be more righteous, since we have knowledge.
See- Baba initially had said- infinite indivisible light, then thumb, then egg/oval shaped, then point.
Even though the right shape of a soul is point- we will experience bliss even in other forms. The only thing necessary is- to realize- I am a soul separate than body, eternal, God is also eternal, but above birth and deaths, and the time cycle. Once we understand the knowledge to considerable extent, automatically, we will be moving in right path if we are putting honest effort.
Baba has also said- "Kayi kahthay hain - itnee choti atma ko kaise yaad karey. Toh moti roop se yaad kar. Yaad toh karo = Some say- how to think of very small soul? Ok, you remember in larger form. "
When someone questions how can we be sure that soul resides in forehead, Baba even says- it is Ok to consider the soul resides in eye. Murli dated SM 10-1-87(1) - http://www.brahmakumarisforum.net/chat/viewtopic.php?f=25&t=1167&p=15323&hilit=teekaa#p15323
. See how flexible the gyaan is, and how much freedom ShiVbaba has given.
46) We believe we see light. But, actually, we do not see light. It is our eye's response
that makes us feel that- we can see some light. - http://www.philosophy.org/light.html
So- our experience is according to our ability to perceive which match to REALITY numberwise. That is why baba has to say gyaan in different ways- Another example- Post No. 59
सार में यही है की आत्मा की रूप ज्योति बिंदु, light emitting point, bright, shining, प्रकाशयुक्त, प्रकाशमान, चमकीला है I
47) So- do not you feel you are contradicting with your own statement regarding the shape as you have ,mentioned in point 2) above?
----48) Can energy be seen?
Usually, ordinary people will accept- "light can be seen". (but in fact, it is not- as said in 46). In that way- we can say many energies can be seen.
For example, a body has potential energy due to its position. =mgh . m = mass, g= the gravitational acceleration, h = height(position). Since we can see the body/mass and its position- it is as good as we are seeing energy in the body.
Similarly- a moving body has KE (Kinetic Energy). = (1/2)(m) (v) (v) . [m= mass, v = velocity]
Since we can see the body and its movement, in one way - it is Ok to say- "we can see the energy in a moving body". Why not? (in words of common people).
See in the same link above- sakar murli dated 10-1-87(1) - viewtopic.php?f=25&t=1167&p=15323&hilit=teekaa#p15323
, Baba is saying atma dekhney bhee aataa hai which means soul can be seen or as if some people have seen it (mostly may be like vision or what many people have experienced in meditation). Does it mean the shape of soul is exactly identical to the one what we see in the vision or meditation?
48b) Now- if we wish to to discuss about- Does energy have shape?
Electric and magnetic fields have definite patterns. All bodies have shape. So- again it can be argued energy has shape! But it would be ridiculous to say so. Because when we discuss about energy, we are bothered about its form and quantity, not the shape.
Similarly, I feel the questions-
Here question arises:- Whether light rays can emit from energy? क्या ‘शक्ति’ से प्रकाश की किरणें निकल सकती ?
Here question arises:- Whether energy can have colour? क्या ‘शक्ति’ का कोई रंग हो सकता है ?
49c) If we like to stick to the word- cheez/vastu/substance- then a question can arise- If soul is a substance- from what it is made up of?
We know that soul is fundamental entity, it is anaadi, avinaashi, not made of anything. But, is we like to compare everything to lowkik material or science, then such question also would arise.
49d) Is light particle/corpuscles or wave? It is said to be both.
We know electron is very small particle. But, again electron is said to be both- particle and wave,
If we give oval shape, star shape to a soul or show it as bigger size, - we are actually not showing the soul- we are showing only the field around it. It is NOT the actual shape.
But, THERE IS NO HARM if we think a soul as a point, or oval shape, or big point or small point. AS one puts honest effort in whatever stage he is, he would then be able to perceive the higher level of realization, when he reads the other murli points too.
तो आत्मा की रंग भी है I मीठे बाबा ने बोले हैं की आत्मा की रंग कोई लाल नहीं परंतु सफेद है। Soul has a colour.
49e) To say- soul has a colour, would again be immaturity. To say even soul is light is also not fully right. Because light is part of the 5 physical element- earth, water, space, air, fire/light which belong to corporeal world.
Is soul corporeal or incorporeal?
But- we human beings are attached to corporeal things- in that too- and most attached to the organ EYE or LIGHT,
we have to explain only/mainly according to the vision only. So- I think Baba is explaining in that way. (regarding shape, colour, etc).
So- we say soul is "point of divine
light and might" -right? (I hope you accept this definition of the soul. If you have objection, kindly mention). Now- what is divine here? Divinity can be argued to say -it is related to virtue rather than object.
But, the origin is from the object. Hence we give the name divine to soul itself.
If your argument is- Light comes only from the object(say sun). So- to give the name light to sun is wrong, hence you prefer to stick just to the definition light emitting object, then we cannot even say soul as point of divine light and might. Like we say sun as light emitting object, we will have to say- an object emitting divinity
Which definition would look good? - "Point of Divine Light and might"
or "an object emitting divine light"
SM 6-9-73(3):- Bachchon ka samjhaya gaya hai ki atma star hai jinko bindi bhi kahte hain. Stars may to aise koney hote hain. Bindi may nahin hoti. Stars isliye kahte kyonki bhent ki jati hai. Lucky sitaarey kaha jata. Hai bindi, usmey gyan ki chamak hai
. Toh atma bindi hai usmey saaraa part hai. Baap kahte hain mujh bindi may bhi part hai jo phir bhaktimarg se bajata hun. ….. -100 [WOT, bindi]
Baba is saying - the light in a soul represents knowledge in it. It is NOT physical. But, in the meditation experience we would be perceiving it as if through physical eye
. That is why - you saw it as 2 feet length
Because we are attached to the organ eye to most extent.
But- there was the other experience too as you have said- "sheetal/coolness"
. In any meditation/spiritual experience, it would be "light and coolness
, light and power
, or light, coolness and power
Light would ALWAYS be present. Because without light, nothing can make any sense in the world.
EYE is the only organ that has no limit. The far-point of the eye is infinity. We can see up to the end of sky. But, we cannot feel sky by any other organ.
Since to remember anything, we have to first visualize it, the eye comes at the first place. So- the size, shape and colour are the most important aspects. The most liked/pleasant colour is- white or golden red or golden yellow.
I believe that is why baba has used these colours.