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# Post No. 31)More about brothers and sisters


8)SM 3-9-81(1):- Om Shanti. Meethey2 ruhani bachche samajhte hain, sirf tum nahin parantu sabhi centres ke Brahma mukhvamshavali braahman sarvottam kul bhooshan jaante hain. Jo jis kul ke hote vo apne kul ko jante hain. Neech kulvaale vaa achche kulvaale ho, harek apne kul ko jaante hain aur samajhte hain ki iskaa kul achchaa hai. Kul kaho va jati kaho. Duniyaa may tum bachchon ke sivaaye aur koyi nahin jaante ki braahmanon kaa hee sarvottam kul hai. Aise koyi shaastron may gaayaa nahin hai. Tum jaante ho ki hum ishawriy santaan hain, unke bachche bhaayi2 hain. Pahlaa number kul kahenge tum braahmanon kaa. Braahman kul arthaath Ishwar ka kul. Pahle hai niraakaari kul. Phir aate hain sakari srushti may. Sookshmvatan may to kul hota nahin.Oonch te oonchaa Sakar may hain tum braahmanon kaa kul ATHVAA BHAAYI AUR BAHAN KAA. Bhaayi aur bahan hone ke kaaran vikaar may jaa nahin sakte. TUM ANUBHAV SE KAH SAKTE HO KI YAH PAVITR RAHNE KI BADI ACHCHI YUKTI HAI. Harek kahte hain hum BKK hain. Shiv vamshi to sabhi hain. Phir jab Baap Sakar may aate hain to Prajapita kaa NAAM HONE KE KAARAN BHAAYI BAHAN HO JAATE. PRAJAPITA Brahma TO ZAROOR RACHAITA HAI. Adopt karte hain. Tum kukhvamshavali(kv) nahin ho, mukhvamshavali(mv) ho. Vo to kv aur mv ka arth bhi nahin jaante. Yah bhi tum bachche samajh sakte ho mv arthaath adopt karte hain. Kv arthaat janm lete hain. -4 [prajapita, mvkv, bhayi-bahan, LM]


= ........................The highest corporeal kul(caste) is of braahmins or that of Brother and Sister. There cannot be vice between a Brother and Sister. You can say by experience that- this is very good yukti to remain pure.... ... due to name of Prajapita, (all) become Brother and Sister. ...
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And I think- this could be the one main reason- why in the beginning - it was said - God Prajapati Brahma, so that if all are considered to be children of one person, then there can be Brother Sister relation and purity.

So since initially- it was difficult to make the concept of point form of soul to sit in intellect of BKs, Baba might have projected Brahma Baba as Divine Father God Prajapati Brahma, so that ShivBaba can make the children to imbibe purity easily. Also the sentence –“ As children of Prajapita, you are Brother and Sisters, you cannot become vicious”- repeats many time in sakar Murlis.


9)SM 23-9-81(1):- Atmaayein sabhi Brothers hain. Sharir may aati hain to kahenge yah bhayi2 hain vaa bhayi bahan hain. Atmaayein to sabhi bhaayi2 hee hain. -36

= All the souls are Brothers. When they come in body, then it is said- these are brother- Brother (between males) or brother- Sisters....


10)SM 6-2-82(1):- Tum jaante ho 500 karod bhaayi hain. SHARIR KE NAATHAY BHAYI BAHAN HAIN. -46

= you know there are 500 crore Brothers. According to relation between body/ies, it is brother- Sister.


11)SM 16-6-82(2):- Tum aatmaavon ko le jaanaa hai. SHARIR TO SABKEY KHATM HO JAAYENGE. ATMA KE NAATHAY SAB BHAAYI2 HAI. Brothers HAIN. PHIR SHARIR KE NAATHAY BHAAYI BAHAN HAIN. Bahut meethi2 baatein hain. -65- [old body, bhaayi- bahan]

= As per spiritual relation, all are Brothers. Then due to body, brother-sisters. Very sweet2 points.


12)SM 14-3-78(2):- Vaastav may sab hain bhaayi2. LN SE LEKAR JO BHI MANUSHY MAATR HAIN SAB BHAAYI2 HAIN ATHVAA BHAAYI BAHAN HAIN. Kyonki Prajapita Brahma ke owlaad hain.Agar Shiv ki owlaad kahen toh vah nirakaar aatmaayein hain. Brahma ke bachche bahan bhaayi jismaani ho jaate. Parantu phir gruhasth vyavahaar may aane se bahan bhaayi kaa naam bhool jaate hain. Agar vah gyaan rahe toh phir vikaar may bhi na jaaye. Abhi phir Baap samjhaate hain tum vikaar may na jaavo. Tum ek Baap ke bachche bhaayi bahan ho. -45 [Prajapita, bhaayi-bahan]

= Actually, all are Brothers. From LN, whoever humans are there, all are brother-brother or brother- Sisters. Because all are children of Prajapita. ...
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# Post No. 32

13)SM 3-2-89(2, 3):- Kalp jab pooraa hotaa hai, to khud hee aakar bataate hain ki main koun hun. MAIN KAISE INMEY PRAVESH KARTAA HUN. JIS_SEY TUM AAPE HEE SAMAJH JAATE HO. PAHLEY NAHEEN SAMAJHTE THAY. HAAN PARAMAATMAA KEE PRAVESHATAA HAI. PARANTU KAISE KAB HUYI, KUCH BHEE SAMAJHTE THOSE HEE THAY. DIN PRATIDIN TUMHAAREE BUDDHI MAY BAATEIN AATEE RAHATEE HAIN. NAYI2 BAATEIN TUM SUNTE RAHATE HO. AAGE THODE HEE DO BAAP KAA RAAZ SAMJHAATE THAY. AAGE TO JAISE BABIYAAN (BABIES) THEE. Abhee bhee bahut baby kahte hain. Baba, hum do din kaa aapkaa bachchaa hun, itney din kaa bachchaa hun. Samajhte hain jo kuch hotaa hai kalp pahale misal. Ismey badi knowledge hai. SAMAJHNE MAY BHEE SAMAY LAGTAA HAI. -45-, 46 [babies, entrance, gyaan]

= When it is end of the kalpa, I myself come and explain who am I. How do I enter in this which you (now) understand by yourself. Before, you were not knowing. Yes, there is entrance of God. But how did it happen, when did it happen- nothing you were knowing. Day by day, in your intellect- points come. used to know. You hear new2 points. In the beginning, the secret of two fathers was not explained. You had been like babies. Even now, many are babies. Some say, Baba, I am child of of two days, or so many days. You understand that wha all happen is as previous kalpa. There is huge knowledge in this. It takes time to learn.

The sentence- “In the beginning the secret of two fathers had not been taught”- is worth to be noted.

Similarly, there is a murli point that says- “Pahley bhaayi2 kaa raaz nahin samjhaayaa thaa. Sirf Bhaayi bahan kaa raaz samjhaaya thaa. = Initially, the secret of brother-brother was not taught. Just that of brother-sister was taught”.

There is a saying – “One of the wisdom of spirituality is that once you've "reached" or "realized" or become "enlightened" then you don't need to take support of the concept. A concept is merely an idea to move you forward.”

So- even the knowledge gets refined and finally just essence remains (is enough).

14)There are murli points saying-


“Bhaayi bahan kaa sambandh pavitr hai, stree- purush kaa sambandh dukh denevaalaa hai = Brother and sister relation is pure, man and woman relation gives sorrow.

15)”stree-purush kaa sambandh dwaapur se shuru hotaa hai = The man and woman relation begins from Copper Age”

16) “Swarg may kaakaa chaachaa aadi hotaa naheen = In the heaven, there would be no uncle, etc”.

17)” Swarg may koyi vidhvaa naheen hoti” = In heaven, there would be no widows.

18)Usually Baba says- in Golden Age, there would be 2 children(one male and female), and in Silver Age, it would be 4 children (two plus two).

From these murli points, I feel the meaning of baba saying “In heaven, there would be no uncle, etc” is to indicate purity. That is- there will be uncle, aunty, etc, but since the relation with anyone would be fully pure, it would appear like brother-sisters (so close and pure).

An unfortunate incident:- A splinter group (pbks) took few murli points and believe that Radha and Krishna in Golden Age would be not only siblings, but also twins. [since murli point(No. 2 above) says “R and K are (like) brother and sister”] and murli No. 16 says there would be no uncle, etc.

19)But, there a murli point that says- there could be three children in Golden Age in rare cases.
SM 25-9-76(1, 2):- Achchaa, 9 laakh manusy, vahaan ek2 ko ek bachchaa, ek bachchee hoti hai toh 1250 varsh may hisaab nikaal saktey ho ki kitney manushy hone chaahiye. Satyug may ek bachchaa, ek bachchee ho toh phir tretaa may itney ho jaavenge. Phir aate hain vaam maarg may. Aisey naheen ki usee samay koyi 5-6 bachche paidaa karte hain yaa pet cheer_kar bachche nikaalte hain. Yah pet cheerney ka toh abhee fashion padaa hai. Hubahoo jaise bichchoo 100 paidaa karti hai, aur khud mar jaati hai. Yah marte naheen kyonki doctor log bachche ko nikaalte hain. Toh yah bhee jaise bichchoo aur bichchunee huyi. Yah abhee fashion padaa hai. Satyug may itney bachche hote hee naheen. KARKE MUSHKIL SE KOYI KE THEEN (3) HO. Peeche aahishthey2 bachche jaasti ho jaate hain. Bharatvaasi apney dharm ko na jaan_ney kaaran hisaab toh kar naheen saktey. 33 KAROD BHAARATVAASI HINDU SAMPRADAAY DIKHAATE HAIN. Toh aur dharmvaley zaroor unsey kum/kam honey chaahiye. Kyonki yah hai praacheen dharm. -36-, 37 [population, CP]


= ……In Golden Age, there would be one male child and one female child....... In rare case, some may have three children……

Now, the splinter group people fail to explain the above murli point.

20)Also- there are lots of murli points which say that there would be a difference of 3 to 5 yrs between Radha and Krisha. To explain this murli points, they invented another set of Radha and Krishna who are called as Confluence Aged Radha and Krishna as well as Conf Aged Lakshmi and Narayan. They have purposely altered murli points which are put in next posts.
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# Post No. 33) Biography of Shivbaba:-

An example of mis interpretation of Shivbaba by splinter group souls(PBKs):-

1)Murli dt. 11-6-72, page 1: "Sabhi jaanate hain paramatma ki jeevan kahani, so bhi ek janm ki nahi. ShivBaba ke kitne kitne janmoon ki biography hai, tumko maloom hai."

= "All know life story of Supreme Soul, that too not of one life/birth. There is biography of ShivBaba of how many lives, you know."

Now, there is a confusion. Does Shivbaba take many births? The splinter group souls take this murli point and interpret as follows.

• "
Parampita Parmatma kee biography ko tum jaantey ho. Jo ShivBaba kee biography ko nahee jaantey vah haath uthaao. Sab jaantey hain Parmatma kee jeevan kahani. So bhi ek janma kee nahee. ShivBaba ke kitney janmon kee biography hai? Tumko maaloom hai? Tum jaantey ho ShivBaba ka is drama may kya part hai. Aadi say ant tak unko aur unki biography ko jaantey ho." (Revised Sakar Murli dated 06.06.07, pg 1)

• “You know the biography of the Supreme Father Supreme Soul. Those who do not know the biography of ShivBaba – raise your hands. Everyone knows the life-story of the Supreme Soul. That too, not just of one birth. The biography of ShivBaba’s how many births is available? Do you know? You know as to what is the part of ShivBaba in this drama. You know Him and His biography from the beginning to the end. " (Revised Sakar Murli dated 06.06.07, pg 1)


- The BKs say that ShivBaba is beyond birth and death. But Baba is telling us : you know the biography of the Supreme Father Supreme Soul And He is asking: the biography of ShivBaba’s how many births is available? Well, the biography of only that soul will be available, which enters The Cycle of birth and death. So, which ShivBaba’s biography of many births is Baba taking about in the above Murli? Is He not talking about His appointed Chariot in the Confluence Age?


But- if we read the adjacent sentences,

2)SM 06-06-2007(1, 2):- "Parampita Parmatma kee biography ko tum jaantey ho. Jo ShivBaba kee biography ko nahee jaantey vah haath uthaao. Sab jaantey hain Parmatma kee jeevan kahani. So bhi ek janma kee nahee. ShivBaba ke kitney janmon kee biography hai? Tumko maaloom hai? Tum jaantey ho ShivBaba ka is drama may kya part hai. Aadi say ant tak unko aur unki biography ko jaantey ho. Barobar bhaktimarg may jo jis bhaavnaa se bhakti karthay hain, unkaa evajaa mujhe denaa hota hai. Vah chaitany toh hote naheen. Saakshaatkaar main hee karaathaa hun. Tum jaanthay ho aadhaa kalp bhaktimarg chaltaa hai. …… (pg 2) Shivbaba Brahma tann dwaaraa humko sab samjhaa rahe hain. Tum sabkee biography, ShivBaba kee bhee biography jaan_neywaaley ban gaye ho. Toh oonch thah_rey na. Jo shaastr bahut adhyayan karnevaaley hote hain, unkey aage na jaan_neywaaley maathaa thekthay hain. ……… " (Revised Sakar Murli dated 06.06.07, pg 1, 2)

= “You know the biography of the Supreme Father Supreme Soul. Those who do not know the biography of ShivBaba – raise your hands. Everyone knows the life-story of the Supreme Soul. That too, not just of one birth. The biography of ShivBaba’s how many births is available? Do you know? You know as to what is the part of ShivBaba in this drama. You know Him and His biography from the beginning to the end. In the path of bhakti, I need to give fruit as per the emotions of the devotees. They (the deities being worshiped) would not be in practical (during bhaktimarg). I only give visions. You know for half a kalpa bhaktimarg continues.......... ShivBaba explains to us through body of Brahma. You know biographies of all, including even Shivbaba. So- you are great, is it not. Those who do not know about scriptures, bow to those who have studied scriptures well. ” (Revised Sakar Murli dated 06.06.07, pg 1, 2)

[Both the murlis SM 11-06-72 and 06-06-2007 would be are same murlis as they are revised every 5 yrs.]

Now, from the adjacent sentences, it is almost clear that ShivBaba points to Himself, not to the chariot. Baba says his part begins from bhaktimarg, his part is not limited just to Conf. Age. Baba also says- "You know biographies of all, including Shivbaba" which almost implies that Shivbaba here is meant for the Supreme himself and not the chariot. But, without seeing the adjacent sentences, splinter group souls misunderstood the murli point. But, that is part of drama, nothing new or wrong.

3) 7) SM 6-9-73(3):- Bachchon ka samjhaya gaya hai ki atma star hai jinko bindi bhi kahte hain. Stars may to aise koney hote hain. Bindi may nahin hoti. Stars isliye kahte kyonki bhent ki jati hai. Lucky sitaarey kaha jata. Hai bindi, usmey gyan ki chamak hai. Toh atma bindi hai usmey saaraa part hai. Baap kahte hain mujh bindi may bhi part hai jo phir bhaktimarg se bajata hun. ….. -100 [WOT, bindi]

= ....... ......So- the whole part is in the soul which is point. Father says- I play role from bhaktimarg- the part which is present in myself- the point.


Now- to the point why does Baba use the word- Biography ( Life Story)? It is actually for service, to attract people's attention.

4)कहते हैं भोला भण्डारी शिवबाबा। अब शिव और शंकर का भेद भी तुमने ही बताया है। शिव की पूजा होती है शिव के मन्दिर में। तो वहाँ जाकर तुमको शिव की जीवन कहानी बतानी है। जीवन कहानी अक्षर सुनकर कोई का माथा ही चक्रित हो जायेगा कि शिव की जीवन कहानी कैसे सुनायेंगे? तो मनुष्य वन्डरफुल बात समझ बहुत आयेंगे। बोलो, निमन्त्रण पर जो आयेंगे उनको हम निराकार परमपिता परमात्मा की जीवन कहानी बताएंगे। गांधी आदि की भी बायोग्राफी सुनते हैं ना। अभी तुम महिमा करेंगे शिव की तो मनुष्यों की बुद्धि से सर्वव्यापी की बात उड़ जायेगी।“(रिवाइज़्ड साकार मुरली दिनांक २३.०२.०९, पृ. २)

"Kahtey hain bhola bhandari ShivBaba. Ab Shiv aur Shankar ka bhed bhi tumney hi bataya hai. Shiv ki pooja hoti hai Shiv ke mandir mein. Toh vahaan jaakar tumko Shiv ki jeevan kahani bataani hai. Jeevan kahani akshar sunkar koi ka matha hi chakrit ho jayega ki Shiv ki jeevan kahani kaisey sunayengey? Toh manushya wonderful baat samajh bahut aayengey. Bolo, nimantran par jo aayengey unko ham niraakaar Parampita Parmatma ki jeevan kahani batayengey. Gandhi aadi ki bhi biography suntey hain na. Abhi tum mahima karengey Shiv kee toh manushyon ki buddhi se sarvavyaapi ki baat ur jaayegi." (Revised Sakar Murli, dinaank 23.02.09, pg 2)

“People say – Bhola Bhandari ShivBaba. Well, only you have told the difference of Shiv and Shankar. Shiv is worshipped in the temple of Shiv. So, you should go there and narrate the life story of Shiv. Someone’s head may turn after hearing words like ‘life story’ that how can they narrate the life story of Shiv? So, people will understand this wonderful issue and come in large numbers. Tell them, we will narrate the life story of the incorporeal Supreme Father Supreme Soul to those who come on our invitation. People listen to the biography of Gandhi, etc., too. Now you praise Shiv; then the issue of omnipresence (of God) will vanish from the intellect of human beings.” (Revised Sakar Murli dated 23.02.09, pg 2)

So-the purpose is to brainstorm people so that they develop interest to listen, and think, and finally to prove his incarnation.

Few more related points:-

5)Murlis 4-2-02 says: "duniya wale naa Ram ki, naa Ravan ki biography jaante hain; din prati din Ravan ki pag badti jaati hai; duniya patit hoti jaati." = The world knows biography of neither ram, nor Ravan. .....


6)9-9-77(2):- Atma kyaa hai? Parmatma kyaa hai? Unka part kyaa hai? Kyaa size hai? Yah baatein tumhaari buddhi may hain. Kitni choti si atma hai. Paramatma ko bhi bhaktimarg may kitni mehnat karni padti hai. Dwaapar se Kaliyug anth tak athavaa Sangam ke anth tak kahe unka part chalta hai. Yah tum jaante ho. -12 [SP, mala, bindu, sookshmvatan]

= What is soul? What is Supreme Soul? What is his part? What size it is? These matters are in your intellect. How small the soul is. How much effort(part) even Supreme Soul also does/plays in bhaktimarg? From Copper age till end of Iron Age or say, end of confluence age, HIS part runs. You know this.

7)SM 6-8-83(2):- Saaraa chakr buddhi may hai. SAARE DRAMA MAY HERO, HEROINE KA PART HAI SHIVBABA KA. Shivbaba ke saath partdhaari koun2 hain? Pahley janm dete hain BVS ko. Phir tum bachchon ko. -113 [Shivbaba, cp]

= The knowledge of the whole cycle is in the intellect. IN THE WHOLE DRAMA, HERO, HEROINE PART IS OF SHIVBABA. Who are the actors with Shivbaba? First (HE) gives birth to BVS. Then to you children.

Usually, Baba says- "I am the director, creator, and principal actors and the LN are the hero and heroine actors". But, here Baba also says- he himself is the hero and heroine actor. Obviously, in one way YES. Because Shivbaba is both Mother and Father to us, and he is the foundation to the whole drama. The whole drama is energized during Conf. Age so that it can run for next 5000 yrs. So, Baba's dance of knowledge is special and unique.

Without knowing dance/frequency of ShivBaba, trying to interpret few isolated murli points, that too ignoring adjacent sentences have caused 3 more splinter groups to emerge and head of each one is saying that I am the chariot (or even ShivBaba)!
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Murli Pt:- Gambheerataa se full marks jamaa hota hai. Mamma toh gambheerataa kee devi thi. = The virtue seriousness gives full marks. Mamma was a deity of seriousness.


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# Post No. Post 34)Mis interpretation of the names Shiv and Shivbaba by splinter groups:-

1. "ShivBaba naam shareer par padtaa hai. Parantu Parmaatma ka Shiv hee naam hai." = "ShivBaba name is based on the body. But the name of Supreme Soul is Shiv only." – Sakar Murli dated 15.3.96

The splinter group souls showed me this murli point and argued- Shivbaba is the name based on body and not for the point/dot. [Of course, this point can be ignored easily, because there are numerous murli points which say- Shivbaba is point. But- of course, how can I say it is a typing error by BKWSU. But- how can I prove it].

As I went on reading murlis- accidentally I found the earlier version of this point as below.

SM 27-2-76(3):- ShivBaba ko saajan bhi kahte hain. Tum sajaniyaan is samay chee2 tamopradhaan ho. Main tumhen gul2 banaaye le jaavoongaa. Atmavon ko pavan banaakar le jaavenge. Unko liberator, guide kaha gaya hai na. Behad ka baap le jaataa hai. UNKA NAAM KYAA HAI? ShivBaba. Naam sharir par padtaa hai. PARANTU US PARAMATMA KAA Shiv HEE NAAM HAI. BVS ka to sookshm sharir hai. ShivBaba ka koyi sharir hai nahin. Inko ShivBaba hee kahte hain. Bachche kahte hain- Hey Maat_Pitaa, hum aapkey baalak baney hain. -85-

= ShivBaba is also called as Sajan(Bridegroom). You brides are dirty at present. I will make you pure and take back. Souls are purified and taken back. He is called as Liberator, Guide, is it not? The unlimited Father takes back to home. WHAT IS HIS NAME? ShivBaba. NAME is based on body. BUT NAME OF THAT GOD IS JUST Shiv. Brahma Vishnu Shankar also have subtle body. ShivBaba does not have any body. This is called just ShivBaba. Children say- Hey Mother & Father, we have become your children.

Due to the omission of full stop mark after the word “Shivbaba”, the sentence got changed and then it reads as “name Shivbaba is based on body”. By taking this and such similar murli points, pbks argue that Shivbaba stands for a corporeal personaility and not for incorporeal God Shiv. But- they completely ignore thousands of murli points which say Shiv = ShivBaba = point. It is unfortunate that pbks pick up just such murli points and mis interpret other murlis points to derive meanings as per their needs.

PBKs believe Shiv is different than Shivbaba.

But such typing errors have not affected BKs and they just naturally ignore such rare murli points and follow the majority of the murli points and hence are safe. Anyhow, we have to say drama and it is role of PBKs to believe so.
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# Post No. 35:- Mis interpretation of Lakshmi Narayan by splinter groups:-

A more great mis interpretation from splinter group:- The splinter group PBKs quote the following murli point.

In LN ka rajy kab THA? Na Kaliyug may, na Satyug may. Swarg sthapan he sangam par hota hai. Itni koyi buddhi aur ki jaati nahin hai. [Mu 16.11.71]

=When did these Lakshmi-Narayan RULE? Neither in Kaliyug nor in Satyug. Heaven is established(begins) in the Confluence Age. Others cannot think so deeply. [Mu 16.11.71]

Due to the above murli point, the splinter group people introduced new concept and claim - there are confluence aged Lakshmi Narayan different than golden aged. But- they could not show the hard copy of the murli point.

I found another/next version of this.

SM 14-11-76(1):- In LN kaa raajy kab STHAAPAN HUVAA? Na Kaliyug may, na Satyug may. Swarg sthaapan hee sangam par hotaa hai. Itni koyi buddhi aur ki jaati nahin hai. Manushy itney vistaar may nahin jaante hain.

= When the Kingdom of LN ESTABLISHED? Neither in Kaliyug, nor in Satyug. The ESTABLISHMENT of heaven occurs in Confluence Age itself/only. The intellect of others do not go so far. People do not know so much details.

Now- the word "sthaapan huvaa = established" was replaced by "ruled" caused error. But- the second sentence clearly says the word sthaapan (established). Unfortunately the splinter group souls could not recognize it.

I do not know whether this is a typing error caused by BKWSU or deliberately done by the splinter group. Anyhow, drama.
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# Post No. 36) Should we bother about legal structure of BKWSU, etc, etc?

We are actors in drama and we need just to follow directors's orders= srimath.

We should be ever ready to everything- including service or exam papers. Moreover , we are in confluence age, and hence- liberated and carefree. and we have the capacity to convert any negative into positive. So- all obstacles will be beneficial, if we are in self esteem.
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1)Corrections will/should happen :-

SM 27-1-81(3):- Tum bachchon ko roz nayi2 points milti hain. TOH LIKHAT BHI CHANGE KARNI PADTI HAI. KUCH NA KUCH AKSHAR CHANGE KAR DAAL DENAA CHAAHIYE KALP PAHLEY MISAL. Is god fatherly university may aayenge bhi zaroor. Tum ek baar likh_kar dekho- PATITPAAVAN YAA LIBERATOR GOD FATHERLY UNIVERSITY. Dekho, koyi etraaz uthaathay hai kyaa. Ladnaa bhi padey. Tum likhthay ho thode samay ke andar hum is bharat ko paristhaan banaayenge. -14

= You children get new points daily. So- even the writings should be changed. Some words you should change as previous kalpa. People will come to this God fatherly university. You just try by putting the name Purifier OR liberator God fatherly university. See whether someone objects.
2)Some complain that ShivBaba does not take action.

SM 03-09-82(3):- JO BAHUT ACHCHAA2 PRACHAAR KARTEY THAY VAH AAJ HAI NAHIN. KOYI BRAHMAKUMARI SE MATH BHED HUVAA, BAS BAAP PAR GHUSSEY HO JAATEY KI BABA INKO SAMJHAATE NAHIN, YAH NAHIN KARTEY. AAKHRIN PADHAAYI HI CHOD DETEY HAIN. Isliye Baap kahtey hain ki mahaamoorkh dekhnaa ho toh yahaan dekho.

= …….Some get upset with the centre incharges and become angry with father that father does not take advice them, does not take such actions, etc. In the end, they leave the study. …..


Shivbaba will take care of everything. Of course, we should be ever ready, but need not be over conscious of such things. But, there is absolutely no harm in reporting to the seniors.
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# Post No. 37

Example No. 20:- Old points will not come into use

SM 25-2-83(3):- Baap kahte hain din pratidin tumko bahut guhy baatein sunaate hain. Sab gyaan ikattaa toh nahin denge. Pahley halka sunate hain. Dinn pratidin guhy hota jaataa hai. Sab guhy baatein ek samay kaise sunavoongaa? Jo kuch samjhaya thaa vahi kalp pahley bhi samjhaayaa thaa. Ismey koyi samshay ki baath nahin hai. AISEY NAHIN KI AAGE TOH BABA AISEY KAHTHAY THAY. ABHI PHIR AISEY KAHTE HAIN. AREY PAHLEY TOH PAHLAA CLASS THAA. Abhi bahut points hain jo aur nikalti rahengi. Jahaan jiyenge Baba sunaate rahenge. -80


= Father says- everyday i tell you very deep points. all the knowledge will not be given together. Initially, light (knowledge) was spoken. As days pass, it becomes deeper. How can all the deep points be told at one time. What all the things, I had told you, they were said even in the previous kalpa. There is nothing to doubt in this. It is not that- why previously Baba used to say this, now why this (different)? Arey- initially, it was first standard. Now, there are points which are going to come. Till you live, Baba would be giving.


2)SM 2-3-89(2):- Baap kahte hain guhy te guhy baatein sunata hun. Tum note karo. Tum nayi points note karo. PURANI KAAM MAY NAHIN AAYENGI. Bhaashan ke baad phir yaad aayegaa ki yah points agar samjhate to buddhi may theek baith jati thi. -85

= Father says- (I) tell you deep points. Note them. You note new points. THE OLD (POINTS) WILL NOT COME INTO USE. …


3)SM 4-8-79(2, 3):- PADHAAYI MAY BHI JAISE2 PADHTE2 JAATE HAI, TOH PHIR PAHLEY KI HALKI PADHAYI APLH BE AADI THODE HEE YAAD RAHTI HAI. VAH PHIR BHOOL JAATE HAIN. TUMKO BHI KAHENGE ABHI TUMHAARAA GYAAN BADAL GAYAA HAI. AREY, PADHAAYI MAY OOPAR CHADHTE JAATE HAIN TOH PAHLEY PADHAAYI BHOOLTI JAATI HAI NA. Baap bhi humko nity nayi2 baatein sunaate hain. Pahley halki padhayi thi, ab Baap guhy2 baatein sunaate rahte hain. Gyaan kaa saagar hai na. SUNAATE2 PHIR PICHAADI MAY DO AKSHAR KAH DETE ALPH KO SAMJHAA TOH BHI KAAFI HAI. Alph ko jaan_ney se Be ko jaan hee lenge. Tum bachche jaante ho Shivbaba se swarg ki Baadashahi ka humko varsaa miltaa hai. Baap rachtaa hee hai nayi duniya (ka). Itnaa sirf samjhaavo toh bhi theek hai. JO JAASTI JYAAN DHAARAN NAHIN KAR SAKTEY VAH OONCH PAD PA NAHIN SAKTEY. PASS WITH HONOUR HO NA SAKEY. KARMAATEET AVASTHAA KO PAA NA SAKEY. ISMEY BADI MEHNATH CHAHIYE. YAAD KI BHI MEHNATH HAI, GYAAN DHARAN KARNEY MAY BHI MEHNATH HAI. Donon may sab hoshiyaar ho jaaye, so bhi toh ho na sakey. Raajdhaani sthaapan ho rahi hai. -5, 5- [yaad, atom bomb, padhaayi, alph_bey]


= In study, as one keeps on studying, the older, lighter one, Alaf and Bey, etc (mostly a,b, c, d, etc) will be forgotten. (Others) will tell you- "now your knowledge has changed". Arey- as one moves higher class, the older knowledge is forgotten, is it not? Father tells you new points everyday. Initially, it was lighter education. Now, Father explains deeper points. He is ocean of knowledge, is it not? After teaching and teaching, in the end, (Father) will say two words- even if you understand Alaf it is enough. When you understand Alaf, you will also automatically/definitely understand Bey. You children know that we get kingdom of heaven from ShivBaba. Father is creator of new world. even if you explain just this much, it is enough. Those who cannot imbibe more knowledge, cannot get high status. .


4)SM 11-2-89(2):- Abhee tumko ekdum gyaan kaa tanth milaa hai. SHURU MAY TOH PURAANAA HEE GYAAN THAA. DHEERAY2 TUM SAMAJHTE HEE AAYE HO. ABHEE SAMAJHTE HAIM GYAAN TOH SACHMUCH ABHEE HUMKO MILTAA HAI. Baap bhee kahte hain aaj main tumko guhy2 baatein sunaataa hun. PHAT SE TO KOYI JEEVANMUKTI PAA NAHEEN SAKTAA. SAARAA GYAAN UTHAA NAHEEN SAKTAA. Pahley yah seedhee kaa chitr thode hee thaa. Ab samajhte hain yah barobar hai. Hum aise chakr lagaate hain. Hum hee swadarshan chakradhaaree hain. Baba se hum aatmaavon ko saare chakr kaa raaz samjhaa diyaa hai. PAHLEY KHYAAL KIYAA KI SEEDHEE KO CHAKR MAY LAAVE. PARANTU SEEDHEE KAISE CHAKR MAY AAVEGEE. INMEY TO SIRF BHAARATAVAASEE HEE DIKHAAYE HAIN. CHAKR MAY TO AUR DHARMVAALE BHEE HAIN. Vah sab dharm peeche2 aate rahte hain. -57 [second, atom bomb, chitr, gyaan]

= now, you are getting the essence of The Knowledge. In the beginning The Knowledge was old only. Slowly2 you started to understand. Now, you understand/feel that it is now we are really/actually getting The Knowledge. Father says- I tell you deep points. In an instant no one can get liberation in life. One cannot imbibe the full knowledge. ... Initially, a thought had come- The Ladder be placed in the picture of wheel. But how can that be placed there? (Because) in The Ladder just bharatavsaais are shown. In the wheel, other religions are also present....

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Another secret in drama would be - Baba should give equal chance to even the new comers. So- knowledge will go on becoming easier and powerful and simpler.
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Post No. 38)What is srimath if we get doubt?

SM 27-1-82(3):- Ishwar ke paas janm ley, phir mar jaaye to yah mowth sabse kharaab hai. KOYI BAATH RIGHT NA LAGE TO CHOD DO. SAMSHAY PADTAA HAI TO NA DEKHO. Baba kahte hain manmanaabhav. -35-

= After taking birth at Ishwar/God, if we die after that, that is worst. If you feel some point is not right, leave it. If you get doubt, do not see them. Baba says- manmanaabhav.

what a direct and simple srimath for us! thank you Baba!

Just a murli point - which directs us- even today- it is better first to say god is star and then point.

SM 19-6-77(2):- Baap aakar sabko padhaate hain. Vah hai niraakar. STAR, LING ROOP RAKHAA HAI SAMJHAANE KE LIYE. BINDI LIKHNEY SE PHIR KOYI SAMAJH NA SAKEY. TUM SAMJHAA SAKTEY HO ATMA EK STAR HAI. Baap bhi star hai. Jaise atma, vaise paramaatmaa. -30 [bindi, atom bomb]

= Father comes and teaches all. He is incorporeal. The forms of star, ling are kept to explain. If we write point, no one will understand. You can explain that soul is like a star. Father is also star. As the soul, is the Supreme soul.

When I explain the knowledge to new comers, I speak both the words- star as well as point.I say- “soul is like a point of light or a similar to a small star”.
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# Post No. 39) Why so much difference in the personality of speech between sakar and avyakt murlis?

We eat rice, wheat, daal, etc everyday. But, eat sweets usually, just once in a week or month. Because that is like a high dose. Similarly, the dose of avyakt murli is higher.

If Baba gives high dose even in sakar murlis- then children will not be able to sit and listen to murli class everyday. They cannot have such a high concentration to listen to them.

And- many children will get bored in case - if they read only avyakt murlis everyday or if the tone of sakar murli is avyakt.

During sakar period (till 1969), Baba used to speak murli everyday. So- Baba was speaking with lower level. But, after 1969, Baba does not come everyday to speak murli. So- he will speak most important things only in avyakt murlis. [For example- if a person talks to us everyday- his way of speech would be one. but, if he meets us just once in a month, then it would be different.]


Known to unknown- this method is used in sakar murlis to teach. But, avyakt murlis are for like post graduate level. So- it is in higher level.
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Why there are lots of gramatic errors in sakar murlis?

It may be due to- if a person speaks in strict language like a project report, or speech of a President, there will be no natural taste to listen. We may get bored. But, even after listening to the same sakar murlis revised and revised many times, we do not get bored, because of this specialilty. And we do not get bored even if we read the same murli twice a day or more times.

It keeps us dancing so that- it makes our intellect in balanced state. Sometimes words of Baba will be spoken indirectly- so that it gives homework to think and find out ourselves (churn). Sometimes - the tone is so natural- that there is no burden to intellect and it frees it so that- we can listen to murli even while doing remembrance. That is- remembrance also can happen naturally- while listening to knowledge.

Baba uses the word "I" very less when speaks. The reason may be- Baba wishes our intellect to go high above even while listening here. And one more point is- since it is sister incharge who will be reading at the centre in daily class, if she is not detached to a considerable extent, the word "I" will not be comfortable to hear.

And for new comers or those who visit centre (sometimes today- even new comers are allowed to sit in murli class directly), if they listen to murli, then they may think- perhaps- it is the sister who is speaking (and may confuse the words of murli as that of sister!).

Sometimes- Baba uses the words- "I", sometimes "He", sometimes "they" for himself, so as to make children's intellect move like a water. It will take children's intellect above from this physical world. Many times Baba speaks – “father says” which the instrument/sister speaks most of the time while translating.
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# Post No. 40

Example 22:- Importance of word Prajapita

Babs usually says in murli- "The word Prajapita is very essential. Many people have name Brahma, even some females. No one will have name Prajapita".

SM 7-9-77(2):- Baba samjhaate rahte hain. Correction bhi karte jaavo. Brahmakumaariyon ke aage Prajapita akshar zaroor likhnaa hai. Prajapita kahne se Baap siddh ho jata hai. Hum prashn hee poochte hain prajapita se kyaa sambandh hai. Kyonki Brahma naam toh bahuton ke hain. Koyi females kaa bhi naam Brahma hai. PRAJAPITA NAAM TOH KISKAA HOTA NAHIN. ISLIYE PRAJAPITA AKSHAR BAHUT ZAROORI HAI. Prajapita AdiDev kahte hain. Parantu AdiDev ka arth nahin samajhte. Prajapita to zaroor yahaan hoga. Adidev phir vah(sookshmvatanvasi- see following sentences) Brahma ho jata hai. Adi arthaath shuruvaath ka. PRAJAPITA BRAHMA ko to phir beti hai Saraswati. Sookshmvatan may toh beti ho na sake. Rachnaa yahaan hai na. In guhy baaton ko vishaal buddhivaale hee dhaaran kar sakte hain. Dhaarnaa ke saath manners bhi chahiye. Jo koyi bhi dekh khush hove. -9 [prajapita, corrections, Adi Dev] -vimp


= Baba keeps on explaining. Keep on correcting. In front of Brahmakumaris, the word Prajapita should definitely be added. By saying Prajapita (the relation) father is proved. We ask question what is (your) relation with Prajapita? Because many have name Brahma. Even some females have name Brahma. Nobody has name Prajapita. HENCE PRAJAPITA WORD IS VERY MUCH NECESSARY. (They) say PRAJAPITA ADIDEV. But (they) do not understand meaning of Adi Dev. Prajapita would be definitely here. SO/THEN ADI DEV IS THE OTHER/THAT (=SUBTLE) BRAHMA. ADI MEANS BEGINNING. Prajapita Brahma has daughter Saraswati. There cannot be daughter in subtle world. Creation is here, is it not? Broad intellect only will imbibe these deep points. ……


Baba is stressing that- If we put name just as Brahma Kumaris, people may not be able to discriminate this one. Because many people in lowkik world have name Brahma. They will think that this too is similar to such a one. The following is an example.

This is a cutting from Indian Express news paper. A politician (real name Raghuvansh Prasad Singh) is called as Brahm Baba by the village people.


The article given on Page No. 09 of Indian Express of Kochi Edition Kerala State, dated 22nd April 2009.
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The matter in the news paper is below. Of course, we do not need that. Still just putting them

Title:- BRAHM Baba STANDS BY CONG

Manoj Kumar [ENS]

Vaishali(Bihar), April 21

UNLIKE his leader, Raghuvansh Prasad Singh of the RJD has chosen not to hit the Congress below the belt. His crisp 10 minutes speech in Hardi, a Muslim dominated village in his constituency, Vaishali, was all about development programmes launched by the UPA government.

Hitting a chord with the crowd instantaneously in Bhojpuri, he tried to explain how small were Bihar Chief Minister Nitish Kumar’s effort in comparison with the mammoth developmental schemens undertaken by the UPA government.

Singh rattled figure after figure to demolish the JD(U) on the development plank, his speech showing complete mastery on rural development, whose ministry he heads at the Centre.

“We gave Rs 5,500 crore to Bihar under Indira Awaas Yojna, Nish Kumar’s government spent only 900 crore. The NDA used to give Rs 150 crore every year under the PMGSY scheme while the UPA government is doling out Rs 3000 every year,” he said.

Meeting this reporter in private, he agreed that RJD did commit a mistake by breaking its alliance with the Congress in Bihar.

“Yes, a mistake did happen. But I’m confident that the UPA will again form the government with the RJD as a constituent,” said Singh.

On being quizzed at Lalu’s attack on the Congress, Singh tried to play it down. “He never said what is being projected by the media. Such things happen in elections. But we have not separated”.

Despite being lovely referred to as ‘Brahm Baba’ by the people of Vaishali, Singh has a formidable opponent in Vijay Shukla alias ‘Munna’ Shukla, a Bhumihar landlord. As an Independent Shukla polled nearly 2.5 lakh votes finishing second to Singh. This time he has party support from the JD(U) and the gains accrued to the people by Nitish Kumar’s government.


Although the support base during Vaishali’s short trail seems to be in favour of Singh, the presence of Congress’s Hind Kesari Yadav may eat into RJD’s vote share and allow Shukla to strike this game. The average man, unmindful of caste, wants Brahm Baba to succeed.

“He is an honest man who works hard for the people. We want him to win again,” said manohar Yadav, a farmer in Sariya Kothi, a small town in Vaishali.

“He is right, we will also miss him in Delhi if he loses,” said a fellow journalist, who added that it was a loss probably Nitish Kumar would also regret.


So- if we add the word Prajapita, people will get more surprised and ask/think- What is this Prajapita?...etc and the message of Baba can be given more easily.

A note:- In lowkik scriptures- three words for Brahma is given - Prajapati (lord or husband of citizens), Prajapita (father of citizens), then Pitaamaha (= GGGFather)
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